have not watched this TV Show yet, but....could guess what was going on...heads up guys..

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« Reply #21 on: October 19, 2008, 09:32:48 PM »

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Not sure if this is the right thread, but here goes. I drove out to the Vedder today with a buddy who described a situation to me, which I will pass on to you. He was flipping through the channels last night (Saturday- Oct 18th) and came across the Multi-cultural channel which had a fishing show on. He noted that they were fishing for Chum so, although he could not understand the dialogue, he decided to watch the program. Before too long he started to recognize the river a bit, and the more he watched the more he realized it was filmed on the Vedder. During the course of the program, the people fishing were snagging fish, catching them in the belly etc, then keeping them. Another scene apparently had the fishermen gutting a fish whilst it appeared alive. Now, I DID NOT SEE THE SHOW FIRST HAND, so the facts may be not spot on. Also he could not understand what was being said (i.e. whether or not this behavior was being condoned) - but he was concerned about the video portion of the show.

If his description of the program was accurate (he is an investigator with Environment Canada, so I assume he is pretty clear on his observations), then this type of fishing behavior may be being perpetuated on television with an ethnic population that may or may not have a good comprehension of the English language. If so, that is a problem and needs to be taken up with the shows producers etc.

My question is -- has anyone else seen this show? I would prefer to have this information verified before I start contacting the Multi-cultural channel?

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« Reply #22 on: October 19, 2008, 09:34:25 PM »

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EV, what language was the program?

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« Reply #23 on: October 19, 2008, 09:57:20 PM »

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He thought it was Korean - but could be wrong.

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« Reply #24 on: October 19, 2008, 10:10:00 PM »

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I agree with Brian as well. Who'd a thunk it. I refuse to ruin a decent report (notice I said decent report, no great!!) with the mention of.... well, you know.

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« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2008, 08:41:36 AM »

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Quote from: firstlight on October 18, 2008, 07:46:06 PM
Has it really gotten worse?
I think it is actually getting better from what ive been reading.
At least now everyone admits those fish are being snagged and not actuallly biting the wool.
This one is going to take a long time but eventually it will phase out.
I said eventually.


Wrong, it has not gotten better and it's not going to without an organized effort to combat it.
I think what bbronswyk2000 meant is that we don't have to talk about every time we report on something but there should be some discussion and awareness of it.

Wrong again, fish bite the wool. Some wool.

On some days I catch 15-20 chum in a day and not one is foul hooked.
Usually when it turns on for a few hours you get a fish every 4th or 5th cast. Then the bite turns off and I can't get one for hours.
How do you explain that some people catch more chum in the same run at the same time?
The color of wool.
So they do bite.

However, I can see where you are coming from...
Snaggers will put wool when they are fishing the fast water, because it doesn't make sense to just have a bare hook.

I'm turning this into another snagging thread... sorry bbronswyk2000.

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« Reply #26 on: October 20, 2008, 12:03:45 PM »

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Quote from: adriaticum on October 20, 2008, 08:41:36 AM
Quote from: firstlight on October 18, 2008, 07:46:06 PM
Has it really gotten worse?
I think it is actually getting better from what ive been reading.
At least now everyone admits those fish are being snagged and not actuallly biting the wool.
This one is going to take a long time but eventually it will phase out.
I said eventually.



I think what bbronswyk2000 meant is that we don't have to talk about every time we report on something but there should be some discussion and awareness of it.


I'm turning this into another snagging thread... sorry bbronswyk2000.


BINGO!!!

Oh and no worries this is the place to talk about it.



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« Reply #27 on: October 20, 2008, 12:36:52 PM »

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This is what happens in our society on so many fronts these days not just in fishing.

Blights like this are swept under the carpet so to speak and then they become the norm and become acceptable. I know many on this thread are not saying not to discuss it but I see nothing wrong in adding the observations one sees on fishing trips and when filing a report.

Hopefully those that read these posts will change their ways one day. I know I have converted and shown a few people how to take fish by making them bite.

We all know on the Vedder and many other systems a high percentage of people are just flossing, snagging and lining salmon and if we stop discussing it and trying to correct it sports angling will be lost forever. Don't you agree?

Definition of angling

Laws generally prohibit catching fish with hooks other than in the mouth (snagging or foul hooking) or the use of nets other than as an aid in landing a captured fish. Some species, such as bait fish, may be taken with nets, and a few for food. Sometimes, (non-sport) fish are considered of lesser value and it may be permissible to take them by methods like snagging, bow and arrow, or spear. None of these techniques fall under the definition of angling since they do not rely upon the use of a hook and line

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« Reply #28 on: October 20, 2008, 01:12:25 PM »

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saw the same fishing show Saturday night. I want to say it was on Omni 10, but not 100% sure on that. Its a channel where they quite often do tv shows in different languages, like for people from India, also heard a talk show going on in German once, and that fishing show which was in an "asian/oriental" language.
Sorry, I honestly couldn't tell you the difference between Japanese, Chinese, Korean, etc. So I that's how I classify those types of languages.

oh and Rod, don;t let the comments about being a good poster go to your head!

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« Reply #29 on: October 20, 2008, 01:23:17 PM »

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Head is already so big that I can't put the sweater on anymore.

Omni on Saturday night, just took a look at the schedule and the only relevant program (the other ones are all movies) on that night was TV Korea Magazine at 10pm.

http://www.omnibc.ca/schedule/index.php?date=2008-10-18

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So Rod, how would you respond to that show? It would be a great idea to make a half hour program showing how to fish the rivers properly. Have this aired in different languages. I think producing fishing shows for the asian market is your calling!

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Quote from: Stratocaster on October 20, 2008, 01:38:58 PM
So Rod, how would you respond to that show? It would be a great idea to make a half hour program showing how to fish the rivers properly. Have this aired in different languages. I think producing fishing shows for the asian market is your calling!


That's one of the project on the list between FFSBC and me actually. It's only at the planning stage so can't really say much beyond that.

As for responding to the show, someone from DFO will be contacting it to inform them that regulations have been violated in the show and it should not be re-aired at the very least.

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« Reply #32 on: October 20, 2008, 05:02:15 PM »

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Personally, I'd use the show as video confirmation of law breaking and prosecute. With that said, has DFO been hamstrung to the point that prossecution will not happen?

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Check out the short floating video with The Master that Rodney filmed last year at The Bell Run, it shows how its done.

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« Reply #34 on: October 20, 2008, 07:39:36 PM »

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I love fishin I try not to pay attention to what the guys around me are doing but boy its hard to turn a blind eye to some of the stuff i see year after year.

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« Reply #35 on: October 20, 2008, 08:02:09 PM »

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Don't worry, if it keeps up, you won't have to turn a blind eye. There will be no fishery to turn a blind eye, let alone a good eye to.

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« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2008, 09:01:03 PM »

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Quote from: bentrod on October 20, 2008, 05:02:15 PM
Personally, I'd use the show as video confirmation of law breaking and prosecute. With that said, has DFO been hamstrung to the point that prosecution will not happen?


In a polite or perhaps overly polite country like Canada we don't persecute or prosecute people for merely breaking laws or other morally repugnant acts. If that were the case most of the politicians and a ungodly number of DFO officials would be doing hard time for staying too long at the public trough so to speak. Hamstrung no, porked up yes.

I'm tired of it.

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« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2008, 09:33:48 PM »

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Quote from: bentrod on October 20, 2008, 05:02:15 PM
Personally, I'd use the show as video confirmation of law breaking and prosecute. With that said, has DFO been hamstrung to the point that prossecution will not happen?


The first step is to confirm‎ that the show aired and understand (translate) what was being said. Then it would be better for them to re-shoot the show with a positive message/technique and play the corrected program repeatedly. That would get a much better result than to charge the television company (with what??? for airing a crappy show???), or to try to find the perpetrator and charge them. This is a good opportunity to get a broad message out. IMO

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« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2008, 10:43:07 PM »

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I'd like to see snagging become a new bylaw offence within the city of chilliwack. 500 dollars for a first offence, 1000 for a second offence. 2000 for a third.

That would take some of the pressure off the need for COs, and bylaw enforcement officers could collect mass cash, some proceeds could go to the clay slide repairs...

When COs hand out a ticket there is alot of court time that is associated with it. A bylaw officer with a video camera, and at least one witness could really clean this river up fast.

Anyone who rips the water, and subsequently snags a fish should be ticketed. Not just the retention of foul hooked fish. And any of us with camera phones should be able to record the offence, and call the bylaw officer.

The Vedder needs some serious help. It's a horror show out there. I'm going to write the city and propose this...

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Just did a browse through the OMNI programming schedule and looking for re-airing since Bigfisher posted that he saw the program this morning. It looks like it might be replayed on Friday at 9:30am.

http://www.omnibc.ca/schedule/index.php?date=2008-10-24

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Nicole, RCMP, CO, Fishery Officer, Park Ranger and Officer under Wildlife Act can ALL enforce fishery regulation which is under Federal Wildlife Act. What's the use for redundency? Let along Federal is above municiple.

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Because all of these agencies are not doing their jobs with regards to this matter.

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Unfortunately they are the only officers that CAN regulate. Even if city bylaws are in effect they will still be the enforcement parties.

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Hello~!! I am one of moderater of this forum. Thanks for the comment and the thread from FWR. I am not trying to cover up the guys who were there on the show, however, I guess there were mistakes with the TV Korea producer and some misunderstanding. Now the moderaters are trying to get the film from TV KOREA and find out what was going on there, because I wasn't there and none of our moderaters were there too. Then, we will take an action about this case. Thanks again for your concern!!! All the best, Sean

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