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마지막으로 센터 탑10을 발표했네요.
2008년 랭킹때 들어간 10명이 전부 다 들어간 가장 큰 차이가 없는 랭킹입니다.
1위부터 6위까진 똑같고 7위부터 10위는 순위만 좀 바뀌었네요.
당시 순위가 아래 존하블리첵님이 올려주신 것처럼
1카림 2윌트 3러셀 4샥 5하킴 6모제스 7월튼 8제독 9마이칸 10유잉 이었는데 이번 랭킹은 아래와 같이 나왔습니다.
1 카림압둘자바
2 윌트체임벌린
3 빌러셀
4 샤킬오닐
5 하킴올라주원
6 모제스말론
7 데이빗로빈슨
8 패트릭유잉
9 조지마이칸
10 빌월튼
개인적으론 현지에서의 월튼에 대한 평가가 좀 높은 면이 있다고 생각하지만 (전 윌리스리드에 한표를...)
그래도 가장 예상에 가까운 무난한 순위라고 생각됩니다.
원문입니다.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/nbarankCs/ranking-greatest-centers-nba-history
Teams
Portland Trail Blazers (1974-1979), San Diego/Los Angeles Clippers (1979-1984), Boston Celtics (1985-1987)
Honors
MVP (1977-78), Finals MVP (1977), Sixth Man of the Year (1985-86), 2-time All-Star, 2-time All-NBA selection, 2-time All-D selection, Hall of Fame
Championships
2 (1977, 1986)
Career stats
13.3 PPG, 10.5 RPG, 3.4 APG, 2.2 BPG
The player
A passer without peer at the center position. No player ever stopped him, only injuries. Had he been healthy, he probably would have built a dynasty in Portland. -- Chris Broussard, ESPN The Magazine
One of the best team players ever; the prototypical John Wooden player. -- Bradford Doolittle, ESPN Insider
Few, if any, centers threw the outlet pass as well as Walton. When he was healthy in the '70s, he challenged Kareem as the best center. -- Rob Peterson, ESPN.com
MVP, Finals MVP, Sixth Man of the Year and two-time champion. Not bad for someone who essentially never had a prime due to lingering foot injuries. --Micah Adams, ESPN Stats & Info

Teams
Minneapolis Lakers (1947-1956), also played in the NBL and the BAA
Honors
4-time All-Star, 6-time All-NBA selection, Hall of Fame
Championships
7 (1947-NBL, 1948-NBL, 1949-BAA, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1954)
Career stats
23.1 PPG, 13.4 RPG, 2.8 APG, .404 FG%
The player
The first great center, Mikan brought glory to the Lakers franchise long before Wilt, Kareem and Shaq ever put on purple and gold. -- Adams
The single most difficult player to rank in NBA history. Dominant in his era, but because of physical advantages that quickly dissipated as the league became more athletic. --Kevin Pelton, ESPN Insider
We don't have the tools to truly measure Mikan's on-court impact, but it's visible more than a half-century after he quit playing: the 24-second clock came into being because of him. -- Doolittle
He has a shooting drill named after him. The league widened the lane because of him. Teams stalled to blunt his effectiveness on offense. No man had a greater impact on the early NBA than George Mikan. -- Peterson

Teams
New York Knicks (1985-2000) Seattle SuperSonics (2000-2001), Orlando Magic (2001-02)
Honors
11-time All-Star, 7-time All-NBA selection, 3-time All-D selection, Rookie of the Year (1985-86), Hall of Fame
Championships
None
Career stats
21.0 PPG, 9.8 RPG, 2.4 BPG, .504 FG%
The player
A force on both ends of the floor. Ewing is often slighted and underrated because he never delivered New York a title, but he never had a healthy perennial All-Star teammate during his prime. -- Broussard
His toughness and defensive presence were the foundation of everything New York accomplished in the '90s. -- Doolittle
Ewing had the misfortune of being stuck in the same conference as Michael Jordan and playing at the same time as David Robinson and Hakeem Olajuwon. -- Adams
Had he come along 10 years later, Ewing might have been the league's best center. -- Pelton

Teams
San Antonio Spurs (1989-2003)
Honors
MVP (1994-95), 10-time All-Star, 10-time All-NBA selection, 8-time All-D selection, Defensive Player of the Year (1991-92), Rookie of the Year (1989-90), Hall of Fame
Championships
2 (1999, 2003)
Career stats
21.1 PPG, 10.6 RPG, 3.0 BPG, .518 FG%
The player
A lefty who excelled at both ends and could run the floor like a small forward. The Admiral was the centerpiece for a small-market team that badly needed one and later a sidekick to Tim Duncan who willingly bequeathed his role as face of the franchise with uncommon grace. -- Marc Stein, ESPN.com
Skilled enough to lead the league in scoring and one of the best defenders in the league, Robinson was a consummate team player and leader. -- Doolittle
While he wasn't as productive in the playoffs, Robinson consistently outrated Hakeem Olajuwon in the regular season thanks to his efficient style of play. --Pelton
The foundation of a Spurs dynasty that continues to this day, nearly 30 years later. -- Broussard

Teams
Utah Stars (1974-75), Spirits of St. Louis (1975-76), Buffalo Braves (1976), Houston Rockets (1976-1982), Philadelphia 76ers (1982-1986, 1993-1994), Washington Bullets (1986-1988), Atlanta Hawks (1988-1991), Milwaukee Bucks (1991-1993), San Antonio Spurs (1994-1995)
Honors
Three-time MVP, Finals MVP (1983), 12-time All-Star, eight-time All-NBA selection, two-time All-D selection, Hall of Fame
Championships
1 (1983)
Career stats
20.3 PPG, 12.3 RPG, 1.3 BPG, .495 FG%
The player
You know you're good when you become synonymous with an adjective, which for Malone was "relentless." He outworked opponents on his way to the Hall of Fame and was the best player in the NBA for a good 2-3 years. -- Doolittle
The king of lunch-bucket basketball, he was an incomparable force on the offensive glass and teamed with Dr. J to make the '83 Sixers one of the greatest teams of all time. -- Broussard
Malone might be the only superstar player who identifies as an NBA vagabond of sorts. Including his time in the ABA, Malone played for nine different franchises, making him the most traveled Hall of Famer. -- Adams
Of the eight players to win three MVP awards, Malone is probably the least appreciated. -- Peterson

Teams
Houston Rockets (1984-2001), Toronto Raptors (2001-2002)
Honors
MVP (1993-94), two-time Finals MVP, two-time Defensive Player of the Year, 12-time All-Star, 12-time All-NBA selection, nine-time All-D selection, Hall of Fame
Championships
2 (1994, 1995)
Career stats
21.8 PPG, 11.1 RPG, 3.1 BPG, .512 FG%
The player
A groundbreaker in terms of bringing footwork and agility to post play. The first of Houston's two back-to-back championships was particularly memorable, because Hakeem was essentially the Rockets' lone star, surrounded by a clutch of quality role players. There haven't been many NBA champions over the years featuring this sort of one-star construction. -- Stein
Created and mastered moves that have never been seen by a big man before or since. On top of that, he was the greatest defensive center ever not named Bill Russell. -- Broussard
Olajuwon's path is truly amazing. He arrived in Houston for college with one developed skill: The ability to play volleyball with opponents' shots. Three decades later, All-Star-caliber players go to Hakeem to learn the fundamentals of post play. -- Doolittle
It's a testament to his athletic abilities that Olajuwon himself declared that "The Dream Shake" was actually something he came up with while playing soccer, not basketball. -- Adams

Teams
Orlando Magic (1992-1996), Los Angeles Lakers (1996-2004), Miami Heat (2004-2008), Phoenix Suns (2008-2009), Cleveland Cavaliers (2009-2010), Boston Celtics (2010-2011)
Honors
MVP (1999-2000), three-time Finals MVP, 15-time All-Star, 14-time All-NBA selection, three-time All-D selection, Rookie of the Year (1992-1993)
Championships
4 (2000, 2001, 2002, 2006)
Career stats
23.7 PPG, 10.9 RPG, 2.3 BPG, .582 FG%
The player
The best center of his generation and possibly the last great center in NBA history. His sheer size and strength overwhelmed opponents, but he also had a deft touch around the rim and carried the Lakers to three straight NBA titles. --Peterson
Surprisingly nimble and athletic, he is the biggest, most powerful force the game has ever known. He won four titles and some think he still underachieved; that's how good he was. -- Broussard
When basketball analytics were in their infancy, the "Shaq test" was a good way to evaluate player metrics: if O'Neal wasn't best on a per-minute basis, something was wrong with your system. -- Pelton
An immense force down low and perhaps an even bigger character in the locker room. He was the Wilt Chamberlain of the modern game. -- Stein

Teams
Boston Celtics (1956-1969)
Honors
Five-time MVP, 12-time All-Star, 11-time All-NBA selection, All-D selection (1968-69), Hall of Fame
Championships
11 (1957, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1968, 1969)
Career stats
15.1 PPG, 22.5 RPG, 4.3 APG, .440 FG%
The player
A defensive genius who epitomized the words leader, team and champion. The greatest winner in the history of American sports. -- Broussard
Never an elite scorer, no player impacted the game in more ways or made more winning plays than Russell. -- Adams
He stepped up when it mattered most. By my metrics, no all-time great contributed a higher percentage of his overall value in the postseason than Russell. -- Pelton
Russell's career is impossible to refute at the most fundamental level of sports: winning. -- Doolittle

Teams
Philadelphia/San Francisco Warriors(1959-1965), Philadelphia 76ers (1965-1968), Los Angeles Lakers (1968-1974)
Honors
Four-time MVP (1996-97, 1998-99), Finals MVP (1972), 13-time All-Star, 10-time All-NBA selection, two-time All-D selection, Rookie of the Year (1959-60), Hall of Fame
Championships
2 (1967, 1972)
Career stats
30.1 PPG, 22.9 RPG, 4.4 APG, .540 FG%
The player
Chamberlain was larger than life in every sense of the word. -- Doolittle
A real-life Superman who's previously unheard of combination of size, skill and athleticism took the world by storm. Statistically, the most dominant individual in the history of American sports. He set records that no one will ever come close to breaking. -- Broussard
Wilt averaged 47.6 points over a two-season period and grabbed 20 or more boards per game for 12 consecutive seasons. The most awesome offensive force in basketball history. -- Peterson
He was so dominant that the NBA literally changed the dimensions of the painted area to try and offset his presence on the block. -- Adams

Teams
Mikwaukee Bucks (1969-1975), Los Angeles Lakers (1975-1989)
Honors
Six-time MVP (1970-71, 1971-72, 1973-74, 1975-76, 1976-77, 1979-80), two-time Finals MVP, 19-time All-Star, 15-time All-NBA selection, 10-time All-D selection, Rookie of the Year (1969-70), Hall of Fame
Championships
6 (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987, 1988)
Career stats
24.6 PPG, 11.2 RPG, 2.6 BPG, .559 FG%
The player
More MVPs than anyone. More career points than anyone. More career Win Shares than anyone. Simply put, there might not be a more complete career than Abdul-Jabbar's. -- Adams
His sky hook was the most unstoppable shot in NBA history. And he could play D, pass and hit his free throws, too. -- Peterson
No player in NBA history has combined peak value with longevity as well as Abdul-Jabbar. It's incredible to think Abdul-Jabbar won Finals MVPs 14 years apart. -- Pelton
While the public often overlooks him in discussions about the game's greatest player, league insiders and legends always mention him when considering who's the G.O.A.T. -- Broussard
첫댓글 ㅈ...제독형 팔뚝이...
오...이건 수긍이가네요
로빈슨형 몸은 약없이 가능한 몸인가요? 보디빌더급이네요
올림픽 자주 나간 선수인데. 안하지 않았을까요?
샤크급 벌크에 저런 데피라면 100프로 약물이라고 봅니다만 제독의 벌크를 봤을때 약물급 까지는 아닐듯. 제독은 엄청 늘씬한 스타일입니다. 체중도 신장에 비해 적게나가고요.근질이 타고난 사람들이 간혹 있는데 제독은 딱 그 수준입니다.
제독은 데뷔 당시에 240파운드도 안 나갔습니다. 후반기에 250까지 올린 것도 벌크업한 거죠. 기본적으로 농구선수들이 비슷한 키의 다른 프로선수들보다 훨씬 슬림한데 로빈슨은 그 중에서도 슬림한 편입니다. 저건 근육을 키웠다기보다는 지방량이 매우 적은 거죠. 백프로 안 썼는지는 누구도 장담할 수 없겠지만, "근육을 키우기 위한" 약물은 아니라고 봅니다.
무난하네요
체임벌린 Honors에 연도 오타있네요
센터 부문에선 대형참사는 없었네요. 저는 윌리스 리드를 유잉 바로 앞에 놓고 싶습니다.
박사님 항상 글/댓글 잘 보고 있습니다.
혹시 리드와 유잉의 비교에 대해
읽을만한 칼럼이나 기사가 있을까요?
몹시 궁금합니다^^
@밀군 이 주제로 잘 써진 칼럼은 본 적이 없습니다.
오래 전에 제가 닉스 올타임 팀 관련해 글쓴 게 있는데, 한 번 읽어보십시오.
http://cafe.daum.net/ilovenba/9eHg/132
@Doctor J
넵 감사합니다!
진입이 너무 어려운 포지션이네요.
센터가 제일 설득력 있네요
빅3+4대센터 빼곤 나머진 각자의 느낌대로...
2008년과의 차이는 월튼 하락, 유잉 상승이군요
이쪽이 더 바람직해 보이긴 합니다
하워드는 커리어 마치면 어느정도까지 올라갈가요? 우승은 없지만 개인수상내역이 화려하던데 ㅎ
올타임탑텐진입은 불가능할것같아요
불가능이요
유잉은 역대 센터8위인데, 자기위 7명중에 3명이 같은시대에서 앞을 가로 막다니.....ㅡㅡ;;
센터는 인정합니다...그건 그렇고 진짜 4대 센터들...ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 와...
유잉은 프로에서 위대한 선수였지만,
그의 무릎이 건강하던 대학시절을 생각하면 너무 아쉽습니다.ㅠㅠ
다른 포지션의 그 어이없는 순위들에 비해서 이번 순위는 무난하네요
근데 미국에서 빌 월튼의 평가는 정말 높네요.
전성기가 그렇게 짧았는데도 불구하고-_-;;
유잉 평가가 와닿네요. 유잉은 올스타급(또는 슈퍼스타급) 조력자를 팀원으로 가져본 적이 없죠. 하킴에게는 2연패 때지만 드렉슬러가, 오닐은 코비가, 로빈슨은 던컨을 더맨으로 우승했고요.
유잉이 불쌍한게 그거였어요. 오클리 스탁스 메이슨 등 준수한 선수들이지만 사실상 채치수 불쌍하던 시절이 아니었나...
레이커스에 오닐대신 유잉 샌안에 제독 대신 유잉 있었다고 생각하면.. 그래도 우승 하지 않았을까요? 근데 휴스턴에 허킴 대신 유잉은 우승 못했을 것 같아요ㅎㅎ그냥 사견입니다
올스타급 수준 정도는 라트렐 스프리웰, 앨런 휴스턴 정도로도 충분히 퉁칠 수 있지 않나요? 그때는 전성기가 지나서 의미없다고 볼 수도 있겠지만요
어차피 전성기 기준으로 제독의 샌안도 그닥 멤버는 좋다고 보기 힘들어요. 그냥 제독이 잘한거죠. 그래서 제독이 유잉 위에 있는 것이기도 할테구요.
아련한 유잉의 추억...트윈테러+캠비때문에 유잉말년이 정말 초라하게 기억되었다고 생각합니다. 아오..
@올라운더~ 저도 살짝 의문이었지만ㅋ 원문에 '건강한' 이라는 단서가 붙은거 보면서 수긍했습니다...; 임팩트 있고 좋은 선수들은 많았지만 커리어가 길고 건강하고 꾸준하지는 못했던거 같아요...
@올라운더~ 그때는 유잉 잔상기 완전히 지난 상태였는데 당시 몸상태는..제독 마지막 시즌보다도 훨씬 더 못했었죠.
@올라운더~ 이미 그때 유잉은 무릎이 다 나간 상태였죠. 그 당시 유잉의 평균 출전 시간이나 경기수를 보시면 아실 겁니다.
@올라운더~ 유잉은 이미 데뷔하면서부터 양쪽무릎이 다 나간상태였습니다~
@Seraphic 그 당시가 아니라 유잉옹은 데뷔할때부터 제 상태가 아닌 무릎으로 들어왔던 걸로 알고 있습니다. 물론 99년 트윈테러때도 유잉옹은 있으나 마나기도 했구요.
@올라운더~ 제독도 전성기 때 던컨이 들어온 건 아니었지만 아직 올스타급 기량을 유지하고 있을 때 던컨과 콤비를 이뤘죠. 제독은 유잉보다 두 살이 어리고 데뷔는 4년이나 느립니다. 우승하던 99년은 물론 01년까지 올 NBA팀급 기량을 유지했고요. 반면 유잉은 97년에 세컨팀에 올랐지만 98년에 커리어 마감급 부상을 당하면서 실력이 엄청나게 줄어버립니다. 물론 그는 데뷔 당시부터 무릎이 제 상태가 아니었지만 88~97시즌까지 10년동안 20경기를 결장할 정도로 꾸준히 뛰어줬는데, 이때 56경기나 결장하고 은퇴설이 유력하게 돌 정도였습니다. 올스타급 실력을 유지할 때 거의 MVP급 동료를 맞이한 제독과는 상황이 매우 다릅니다.
@올라운더~ 이미 데뷔부터 무릎이 상당히 안 좋았죠. 하지만 트윈테러가 결성될때는 아예 경기를 못 뛸정도 었다는 것이 포인트입니다.
빌 월튼도 아예 납득 못할 선수는 아니니 센터 포지션은 꽤 합리적으로 선정된 거 같습니다. 한편으론 센터라는 자리는 정말 농구의 클래식(?)이자 고정불변의 진리인 것 같습니다.
드와잇 하워드 있었으면 화났을듯...무난한 순위라고 봅니다.
아래로 내려가면서 하워드 나오기만 해봐라, 댓글 달아야지 하면서 보다가 ㅎㅎ 센터는 틈이 안 보이네요.
가장 이견의 여지가 없는 부문이 센터네요.
90년대의.위력인가요? 대단하네요...
3대장 4대센터는 정말이지ㄷㄷ 문제는 저 선수들을 위협할만한 센터가 현리그에는 보이지않네요ㅜㅜ
이제 파포 하나 남은건가요?
파워포워드는 이미 나왔습니다~
@Family Guy 아.. 그것만 엔게에 안올라왔나보네요.
@어린아이 이미 올라왔습니다! 검색해보셔요
@Lucas Shin 넵 감사합니다.
센터는 진짜 비집고 들어가기 쉽지 않네요....
월튼대신 리드가 들가야 될텐데.. 순간임팩트와 백인프리미엄 효과인가...
흠 이렇게 기록을 보니까 4대 센터의 커리어는 분명 샤크 > 하킴> 로빈슨> 유잉 이네요 , 전 유잉이 젤 좋지만 ㅋㅋ
월튼의 겨털색은 황금색이네열