ESPN Insider's Chad Ford and Kevin Pelton return to provide the kind of discussions that are happening in front offices around the NBA -- where scouts and statistical experts are breaking down NBA draft prospects using their "eyes, ears and numbers."
1. Is Joel Embiid really the No. 1 NBA prospect?
Kevin Pelton: Chad, after consulting with scouts and watching the top prospects, you moved Embiid to the top of your Big Board on Wednesday. Well, my WARP projections already had him tied with Jabari Parker as the best of the freshmen. Let's take a look at why the numbers are so high on Embiid, starting with his field goal percentage.
Embiid has made 69.7 percent of his attempts inside the arc. That would place him among the best NCAA finishers of the past decade and a half. And those raw stats don't consider that Kansas has played the nation's most difficult schedule.
Factoring that in, the history of NCAA-to-NBA translations suggests Embiid's performance is equivalent to making 60 percent of his 2-point attempts in the NBA, which would be incredible for a rookie. (Per Basketball-Reference.com, just five rookies have shot better than 60 percent on 2-pointers in the past decade.) In fact, part of the reason Embiid's WARP projection isn't higher is that the system assumes he's shooting so well from the field that it has to be partly fluky. If he can keep it up the rest of the season, he'll dramatically improve his projection.
Chad Ford: The popular conception about Embiid is that he's a risky choice. The narrative on him is that he's this raw big man who has moved up the board completely on upside. That's the media narrative I get, but there are also still GMs and scouts who view him this way. That's the part I don't understand. The numbers don't suggest that Embiid is a risky pick at all. Neither does the eye test. He's actually quite polished offensively and has gotten more aggressive as the season has worn on.
I'm also interested in how he compares to the two guys we had atop our Big Board the past two seasons -- Anthony Davis and Nerlens Noel. Both players were considered "projects", too, in January -- especially Noel -- but in both cases, their numbers said they were the top prospect in the draft. Obviously, Davis has proved that to be true. Noel is still recovering from ACL surgery, so we don't know yet how he'll fare in the NBA.
2. How does Embiid compare to Anthony Davis and Nerlens Noel?
Pelton: Embiid is clearly a different kind of player offensively, playing a much larger role in the Kansas offense but also turning the ball over much more frequently in the post than Davis, in particular, did at Kentucky. (Davis has ended up being a far higher-usage player as a pro.) Here's how his performance, translated to its NBA equivalent, compares to Davis and Noel through mid-January of their freshmen campaigns:
Embiid vs Davis vs Noel
Player 2P% 3P% FT% OR% DR% Ast% Stl% Blk% Usg 2A% 3A%
Embiid 0.609 0.228 0.671 0.101 0.19 0.027 0.015 0.059 0.168 0.649 0.023
Noel 0.508 0 0.571 0.082 0.166 0.027 0.031 0.057 0.126 0.742 0
Davis 0.581 0 0.679 0.092 0.201 0.015 0.022 0.07 0.136 0.774 0.023
Defensively, Embiid is in the ballpark with Davis and Noel with one major exception -- his foul rate. Embiid is averaging 6.8 fouls per 40 minutes, and while that's partially attributable to whistles being increased throughout the NCAA, that doesn't account for the entire discrepancy between him and the Kentucky duo. Is that a concern for scouts?
Ford: It is. Again, back to the raw narrative: He hasn't been playing basketball that long. Learning how to play big and not foul takes time, and Embiid is clearly still feeling things out. He'll have to take another huge leap when he moves from college to the NBA. Surprisingly, most of the NBA guys I talk to, especially the old-timers, really want him to stay another year at Kansas. That's a fairly rare sentiment. Usually, NBA scouts and GMs want players in the draft.
Some of it is selfish (the more players in the draft, the better chances a good player falls to them), and some of it is pragmatic (many in the NBA believe that players pick up bad habits in college and it's better for them to learn the NBA game right away). But for Embiid, they feel like one more year of tutelage under Bill Self could make him unstoppable. I doubt Embiid stays, given the fact he looks like he's a lock for a top-three pick, but it's interesting nonetheless. No one is saying that about Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker or Dante Exum.
3. What's the downside to Embiid?
Pelton: In the context of that discussion, it's worth mentioning the one strike against Embiid: his age. Because he's so new to basketball, the fact that he's a full year older than Parker -- and just 10 days younger than Marcus Smart -- hasn't gotten much attention. Embiid is the most interesting test case yet of whether age or basketball experience matters more when it comes to future development.
Because of that, I think it's best for Embiid to go pro. His dominance at the college level might also limit his ability to grow. Already, he's No. 2 in the NCAA in advanced statistical plus-minus. When he's dominating a team like Iowa State with nobody taller than 6-foot-7, I don't know how much that's helping him prepare for the NBA.
Ford: I think that's a great point to end on, Kevin.
There just aren't that many big men in the college game who are really going to challenge Embiid. If he's going to reach his potential, he needs to be challenged by people with his size and abilities. That said, one of the reasons that Embiid is so attractive as a No. 1 pick is that there just aren't that many special 7-footers who play like a center in the NBA these days. Having someone like that gives your team a huge advantage, and it's ultimately why I think Embiid ends up the favorite to go No. 1. If he reaches his potential, you could make the argument pretty easily that he has the ability to be the best player at his position in the NBA someday. That's certainly a compelling argument to take him No. 1.
첫댓글 드래프트는 빅맨 놀음이니 ㅋ 그리고 이미 엠비드 기술이 원석 단계는 어느정도 넘어섰다고 봅니다. 공격스킬만 놓고보면 데이비스 대학 시절은 이미 앞질렀고요, 노엘은 비교대상도 못됩니다.
저도 나오는게 낫다고 봅니다. 급격히 성장중인 선수인데 대학무대에서 기술을 더 닦는것보다 NBA의 강력한 빅맨들과 직접 부딛쳐 배우는게 더 빠를거라고 보거든요.
최근의 예로 디트의 드루먼트가 대학에서 아무것도 못해서 9픽까지 밀렸다 리그입성이후 원석이었던 깡패피지컬을 앞세워 급성장하듯이 말이죠.
지금정도면 기본기는 어느정도 다졌고 높은 레벨의 경쟁도 경험해봤죠. 픽이 밀린다면 몰라도 갈수록 일픽확률이 높아지니 현재로선 안나올 이유가 없긴하네요.
캔자스라는 팀 자체가 터프한 스케쥴때문에 과소평가되는 경향이 좀 있는데 토니가면 평가가 한번 더 달라질거라고 봐요.
이른 아침부터 좋은 정보 감사드립니다~!! ^^