오늘 딜에 대한 달라스 팬과 밀워키팬들의 반응

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삼대 보드와 리얼 쥐엠에서 퍼왔습니다. 여러모로 한국팬들과는 다른시각.
전번에 저비액<->컷토마스루머도 그랬지만요

달라스팬

The most shots per game Van Horn has ever taken in a season is 17.9 (in comparison Walker has exceeded this # 6 times in his career and Jamison 3 times) his second year since then never more then 15.7.
The last 3 years he is averaging about 13 shots per game.
Since his decline in taking shots his shooting % has gone up. This tells me he has been taking smarter shots over the last few seasons.
The guy is a .359 3 point shooter which is great in comparison Dirk shoots .379 for his career
I mentioned Jamison earlier but KVH actually is alot like Jamison only taller.
They are both poor defenders and both good scorers. Van Horn is a better rebounder and outside shooter while Jamison is a better mid range scorer.

Jamison as a Mav played 29 minutes and posted the below #'s.

14.8 PPG 6.3 RPG 1 TO .9 Assist.

Van Horn this season has played hurt and gets 24.8 MPG and produces

10.4 PPG 5 RPG 1.4 TO 1.2 Assist


When you look at there per 48 minutes Van Horn this year to Jamison last year they become almost identical.

The thing with Jamison his FG% rose from .47 to .535 he dropped back down to .438 this year.
KVH is currently at .449, I would expect that number to go up to around 50% as a Mav although not as high as Jamisons because KVH takes more 3's.
Bottom line is if you think Jamison would be nice to have on the bench then you would have to be ok with KVH being on the bench as they are almost the same player.


밴혼은 볼호그가 아니다. 그가 가장 많이 슛을 쐈을 대 밴혼은 17.9개였다. 워커는 6개나, 재미슨은 3개나 더쐈었고, 그의 2년차이후 그는 15.7개이상 쏜적이 없고 최근3년간 그는 13번정도 슛을 던졌었다. 그가 조금 던지자 그의 필드골은 올라갔고, 이는 그의 슛셀렉션이 향상되었음을 보여준다. 지금 35.9%의 3점슛터인데, 노비의 37.9%의 캐리어 3점과 비교가 된다.
전에 재미슨과 밴혼을 비교한 적이 있는데, 재미슨과 다른 점은 키가 큰 것인 듯하다.
둘 다 한심한 수비수이고, 좋은 공격수다. 밴혼이 좀 더 나은 리바운더이고, 외각슛터이지만 재미슨은 나은 중거리점퍼를 구사한다.

재미슨의 마브스 기록(29분출장)

14.8 PPG 6.3 RPG 1 TO .9 Assist.

밴혼의 올해 기록(24분출장)

10.4 PPG 5 RPG 1.4 TO 1.2 Assist

48분을 기준으로 했을 때 밴혼은 거의 재미슨과 같다,(스탯으로 평가하기는 위험하지만..--;;)
재미슨은 과거 47%쏘던 것을 마브스에서 53.5%까지 끌어올렸고 올해 워싱턴에서 43.8%를
기록중이다.
밴혼은 44.9%인데, 마브스에서는 50%정도까지 오를 것같다.(테리도 그렇죠??)
밴혼은 벤치에서 재미슨과 거의 동급의 선수가 될 것같다.

Whipit
The real reason for the trade

1. we cant score when dirk isnt on the court
2. So dirk plays too many minutes
3. Having KVH will reduce Dirks minutes at least 3 to 4 minutes per game and hopefully reduce the scoring droughts
4. It will make life on dirk easier when KVH is in there when Hindu would have been on the court with Dirk. No one guards Hindu, they have to guard KVH

This is a GREAT trade
이번 딜을 한 진짜 이유
1. 우리는 노비가 코트에 없으면 득점이 안된다.(동감..)
2. 그래서 노비가 많은 시간을 뛴다(동감...)
3. 밴혼의 영입은 적어도 노비가 3~4분은 더 쉬게 할 것이고, 득점력부재를 보완할 것이다.(아마도)
4. 아마 헨더슨-노비보다 밴혼-노비가 노비의 부담을 덜어줄 것이다. 상대팀에게
헨더슨은 그냥 놔더..지만 밴혼은 막아야되기 때문이다.(확실히...)


VanGogh

If Hendu is not back I hate this trade. Hendu to my eyes did a great job of defending some tough players. Without him I'm afraid the layup drill returns in the playoffs. Without him or Damp I know it does.
Cross your fingers and hope the rumors of Hendu's imminent return are true.
I am just not sold..I will give it some time.
아마도 (웨이브된) 헨더슨을 영입할 수 없다면 난 이 트레이드가 싫다. 적어도 헨더슨은 터프한
선수들을 잘 막아줬다. 그가 없다면 상대팀의 무수한 레이업시도에 플옵에서 쓰러질
것이다. 제발 헨더슨이 돌아온다는 루머가 사실이길 바란다.

ChicagoJK
Again, as I have said KVH is the superior player. There is no doubt on that. My concerns are I don't want Josh, Stack, Fin or Daniels losing minutes. So that leaves around 10-15 minutes behind Dirk (sans and Center minutes). Those minutes are best used imo for a hustle guy. Will KVH come in the game in the fourth and get a key steal, draw a charge, keep a ball alive on the glass, bump a post player inside while dirk rests, keep offensive possesions alive with offensive rebounds in the fourth, etc?
I am not sure. Sure he is a nice insurance for Dirk, but if Dirk gets hurt this team isn't winning anything anyway.
I will admit the expiring contract next year is a strong positive I wasn't aware of.
Poor Hendu though . He got married over the all star break in Hawaii. He comes back plays a game and then is traded to Mil. Welcome to the NBA mrs. Henderson.
Just kidding about the poor hendu part...I would take his 7 mil this year.
다시 한번 말하지만 밴혼은 부스, 헨더슨 류보다 훨씬 나은 선수이다. 그것은 의심의 여지가
없다. 다만 SF로 출장이 가능한 밴혼의 영입으로 우리의 4스윙맨들의 출장시간이 제한되는
것은 나쁘다. 그냥 노비다음으로만 뛰게 하자. 한 10분~15분정도 뛰면 될 거다.
밴혼이 4쿼터에 스틸을 해내고, 공격자 파울을 유도하고 허슬로 공을 따내고, 노비대신 골밑
에서 막아주고, 중요한 공격리바운드를 해줄까? 그것은모르겠다
하지만 확실한것은 노비의 좋은 보험이라는 것이다. 노비가 부상당한다면 이팀은 도저히
이길 수 없다(더불어 헨더슨까지 부상당하면 부스-음뱅자, 간혹 나올 죠쉬하워드로 파포를
메꿀 수 있다고 생각하시지는 않겠죠? 뎀표도 없는 이 마당에....)
물론 내년 헨더슨의 8.2Mil이 빠지는 것은 좋다는 것을 사실이다.
그나저나 헨더슨 불쌍도 하다. 하와이에서 결혼한지 얼마 안되엇는데, 유타전 뛰고 바로
트레이드다. 암튼, 난 올해 7Mil을 더 그에게 쓰느니 밴혼을 데려오겠다.

kg_veteran
Fantastic trade. As much as I admire Henderson and what he did for the Mavs, KVH is a guy who can really balance out the roster.
Also, they dumped Booth. You're trading deep bench guys for a guy with starter-level talent. No-brainer.
One other thing: KVH has a contract that will fit under the category of "massive expiring contract" next February, which gives the Mavs another great trade asset next year.
Great work by Richard's favorite people, the MBT.
환상적인 트레이드다. 내가 헨더슨을 존경하는 것만큼이나 좋다. 밴혼은 정말 우리 팀의 로스터
의 발란스 맞춰줄 선수다
게다가 우리는 부스도 떠넘겻다. 우리는 스타터 수준은 아닌 선수들로 좋은 벤치선수를 영입했다.
한가지 더...올시즌 후 밴혼이 고액만기계약 선수에 포함되는 것을 아는가? 내년 시즌 주요한
트레이드 자산이 될 것이다.


Van Horn's stats this year prior to getting hurt vs. his numbers since coming back
I saw Van Horn's numbers on the season aren't particularly impressive, but I didn't realize how drastic his numbers changed from the beginning of the season versus his numbers since coming back after missing 18 games. Here is a breakdown:
밴혼의 부상저노가 부상 후 스탯을 보자...
부상전 선발로 뛰던 13게임
37 minutes per game
17.2 ppg
8.2 rpg
45.7% FG's
44.9% 3's
88.9% FT's

부상 후 21게임동안
17 minutes per game
5.9 ppg
2.9 rpg
43.4% FG's
27.5% 3's
82.7% FT's

Dreamcabs2
Real GM
^^Congrats!! I think !!!
추카추카

MavsfaninDenton
Real GM
Spurs get Nazr Mohammed.
I like KVH, he will provide us a better shooter.
스퍼즈가 나즈를 얻었다.
나는 밴혼이 좋다. 좀 더 나은 슛터이다.

DDansby123
Real GM(정말 분석적인 분..)
Well, a deal like this wasn't totally unexpected given the report in the paper this morning that Nellie was looking for more offense from his big men. I think there are more positives than negatives to this trade and there were several reasons for it:
참..이런 딜은 예상도 못했다.,.(줄기차게 브라운<->헨더슨얘기하신 분이죠.) 넬슨은 그의 빅맨들로 부터 좀더 공격적인 면을 얻고자 했나보다. 그렇다 해도 부정적인 것보다 긍정적인 면이 더 많다. 그 이유를 풀어보면..

(1) In my opinion, Nellie/Donnie looked around the WC and said, "Where have all the PFs gone?" SA has Duncan and Minny has Garnett, but Phoenix is playing Marion at PF, Webber's gone, Seattle has offensively-inept PFs (nothing against Reggie Evans, though), Houston's weak at PF, Memphis has Gasol (who's about the size and stature of KVH anyway), and LA's got Odom (a SF) or nothing at PF. I think they concluded that KVH could have enough of an advantage offensively against those guys that he wouldn't have to be a great defender to produce good results.
내 생각에 넬슨부자는 서부판세를 보면서 도대체 파포들을 어떻게 막아야 하나를 말했다. 샌안토니오는 던컨을 미네소타는 가넷을 피닉스는 매리언을 킹스는 웨버를 잃었다. 시애틀은 수비형 파포를, 휴스턴이 파포가 좀 약하지만 멤피스는 가솔을 가지고 있다. 레이커스는 오돔이 스포지만 파포는 없다. 난 넬슨이 밴혼은 이런 파포들을 상대로 충분히 공격적인 우위를 점할 수 있을 것이라는 결론을 냈다고 본다.

(2) Booth blew his opportunity by showing an inability to put together two solid back-to-back games and Bradley played solidly enough against Utah to warrant some PT in the future.
부스는 잘 못했지만 브래들리는 잘했다.

(3) After (1), they looked around at the C's in the West and asked if Dirk could play there for a few minutes and be effective. They figured, given that Shaq's in the East, he could. His toughest opponent at C? An athletic PF (Amare Stoudemire).
우리는 또한 노비를 센터로 두었을 때 얼마나 서부에서 경쟁력이 있나를 봤다. 샤크의 동부행
으로 센터포지션에서 그리 터프한 선수는 없다.

(4) Since an expiring contract is worth zilch to us at this point, we put off that expiration another season (just as I suggested). Now, we have a bigger expiring contract to trade next season, if we so choose.
아무래도 헨더슨의 만기계약은 그냥 지나치기 아쉽다. 밴혼을 영입하면서 내년에 또 만기계약
의 이점을 누릴 수 있다.

(5) KVH gives us the ability to go two directions in a game: (1) traditional -- Dampier at C, Dirk at PF, Howard at SF --> a defensive, grind it out alignment (reserved for the Spurs and Rockets primarily); (2) up tempo -- Dirk at C, KVH at PF, Finley at SF, Harris at SG, Terry/Armstrong at PG --> run and gun, great perimeter shooting, and two PGs who (hopefully) can penetrate (handy primarily against running teams like Phoenix, Seattle, and Sacramento). You could also play KVH some at SF if the opposing SF was relatively limited offensively (e.g., Bruce Bowen).
밴혼은 정석이건 업템포건 다양하게 이점을 줄 수 잇다.
하워드-노비-뎀피어의 전통적인 게임(*수비적이고 조직적인 게임. 주로 스퍼즈나 로키츠전에서 사용)
테리/암스트롱-해리스-핀리-밴혼-노비의 업템포게임에서 런앤건, 좋은 외각슈스 돌파할 수 있는 포가들(피닉스,시애틀,킹스전 유효)를 쓰거나 밴혼을 sF로 두며 공격력에 제한된 부르스보웬(!!!)같은 스포를 상대로 좋은 게임을 할 수 있다.

(6) We improve tremendously on the offensive end, particularly at the FT line and we finally have somebody who can put the ball in the hole when our best perimeter shooters are out of the game.
일단 공격력은 좋아졌다.

The downside? We got worse defensively and in terms of hustle, lost some toughness, and we now have two guys off the bench who are basically all-offense (Stack and KVH -- can they play together?). We lost a lot of options at backup PF/C. This forces Bradley to step up and play better, which I hope he does. Does M'Benga see more time with this deal as well?
단점은 역시나 수비적으로 약해졌고, 허슬플레이와 터프함이 없어졌다. 스택과 밴혼의 조화도 큰 문제이다. 우리는 백업을 잃었는데, 브래들리가 더 잘 뛰거나 음뱅자가 플레이타임을 얻을 수 밖에없다.

All things considered, it's a decent deal for us. If KVH can hit upwards of 40% of his 3's off the bench, I think he'll bring us a new look off the bench.
모든 면을 고려할 때 괜찮은 딜이다. 벤처에서 나와 밴혼이 40%이상의 3점을 날려준다면
게임은 여러모로 달라지겠다.

f l u r p
Moderator
My initial reaction was "NOOOOO". I think I'm still at that point now. I've never been a KVH fan and think it was a mistake to give up our two defensive minded role-players.
나의 첫반응은 안돼~~~였다. 나는 아직도 그렇게 생각한다. 나는 밴혼팬이 절대 아니며
그를 위해 수비적인두 롤플레이어를 희생한 것은 시루였다고 생각한다.
What was it that many of us were saying early off-season? We needed more defensive role-players on the team. Well, we got them and now they're gone. In their place we have a guy who will spare us to death and be a real negative on the defensive end. Van Horn can't guard *anyone*. He's a swinging gate between any mediocre offensive opposing player and the basket.
올 오프시즌에 우리가 수비형 롤플레이어가 필요하다는 것을 얼마나 부르짖었나? 이미 딜은
이루어졌다. 밴혼은 아무도 못막는다.
I'm not happy. The Mavs have been scoring plenty. Nellie bemoaning the lack of offense is just plain ol' typical Nellie. 111 points isn't enough, he needs 121. So what if we give up 122?
참 행복하지 않다. 이미 마브스는 공격옵션이 많다. 참..넬슨은 111점이 충분하지 않다는 것인가?그는 121점을 필요로 한다. 하지만 우리가 122점을 주면 어떡하란 말인가?

This is Donnie, hearing his dad bitch all season in private, caving in and bringing in another offensive player.
No one can say that this move isn't a clear step back toward *last year's* team and a departure from the "new mavs" that we were all hoping to see.
What is especially infuriating is that due to injuries we never even got to see the new philosophy in action and clicking for more than a couple of games here and there.
I bet money that it's going to be Josh who gets squeezed. How craptastic will that be?
I am sick and tired of the old mavericks with the Nellie stamp on them. I can't wait for Avery and his intense, no minutes off, defensive brand of basketball. I would be shocked if Avery were truly on board with this.
Call me disappointed.

pja123
Moderator
Definitely the most surprising trade of the deadline.
The Mavs have a ridiculous roster. Van Horn, Stack, Daniels, Harris, and Armstrong is the best bench in the league.
And just think, Dallas is going to get even better in the future. How? Van Horn's contract will be expiring in 06, so he's going to be a great trading piece at next year's trading deadline.
Fantastic move by Cuban,
데드라인 딜중 가장 놀라운딜이다.
정말 황당한 벤치다. 벤혼, 스택, 다니엘스,해리스, 암스트롱은 리그 최고의 벤치이다.
그리고 마브스는 미래에 더 나아질 것이다. 밴혼의 만기계약으로 좋은 선수를 더 데려올 수
있기 때문이다.
큐반의 환상딜..


EricaLubarsky
Elite Member
I just wonder what we are going to do against any team with a frontcourt. I'm assuming that KVH willl fill in behind Dirk and Howard. I dont know....
and I sure hope that the chemistry is alright and Nellie isnt acquiring KVH to spread the floor....and I hope Hendu has no problem going up north for his honeymoon.
That said, KVH isnt a great defensive player at all, but he does have considerable skill. And trading Antoine Walker, Tony Delk and the malignant Fortson for Jason Terry, and Keith Van Horn sounds pretty good in theory.
난 그저 이 팀이 이 골밑을 가지고 어떻게 살지 모르겠다. 밴혼이 노비와 하워드의 백업을
한다고 본다
그리고 팀 케미스트리가 상하지 않고, 밴혼이 상대팀을 교란싴고, 헨더슨은 북쪽으로
신혼여행 잘 가길 바란다.
밴혼은 좋은 수비수도 아니지만 적어도 기술은 있다. 워커,델크,폿슨으로 우리는 테리와 밴혼
을 데려왔다. 괜찮다.

Murphy3
Guru
I hate to lose Hendu's rebounding....
What happens if Dampier is out for a month and a half? Who consistently rebounds besides Dirk and Howard?
Does Mbenga keep a spot on the roster?
I understand the trade. I like the salary flexibility that it will provide. And yes, the Mavs needed another shooter and a guy that could score a bit behind Dirk.
I hate to lose Hendu, but I guess I have to give a thumbs up on this trade. It's a no brainer, but it's still a reluctant thumbs up simply because Hendu is such a class guy and such a good fit.
헨더슨의 리바운드를 잃어 아쉽다. 뎀피어가 1달반넘게 못 나온다고 생각해봐라. 노비와 하워드가 꾸준히 리바운드를 잡아줄까? 음뱅자가 공백을 메울 수 있을까?
트레이드는 이해된다. 샐러리의 유동성을 좋아한다. 그리고, 노비가 벤치로 갈 때 슛을 쏴줄 선수가 필요했다.
헨더슨의 이탈은 아쉽지만 난 그래도 이 딜을 지지한다.

Evilmav2
Diamond Member
This is a damned pleasing trade. I've long thought that Keith Van Horn would flourish in a Nelson offense, with his nice mix of shooting, rebounding, and passing abilities, and now that he gets to come to Dallas and not have the pressure on him to be one of the top two or three players on this team (unlike in Philly and New York), I fully well expect that he will flourish here. Great, great trade as we pick up another near-star caliber player in exchange for roster detritus, and if he doesn't work out this season his expiring contract will be a great trade asset for us in the future.
정말 좋은 트레이드였다. 아마 넬슨체제하의 밴혼은 정말 잘 나가는 선수가 될 것이다.그는
슛이 좋고, 리바운드도 하고, 패싱능력도 좋은데다가 그가 부동의 2~3옵션이 되야만 한다는
중압감도 덜었다. 그가 잘되길 바란다.


SeriousSummer
Member
I like the deal. You've got to think long term, not just worry about the next two weeks when the Mavs are waiting for Dampier to come back.
딜은 좋다. 댐피어가 올 때를 걱정하기보다 당장 장래도 내다봤다
Bradley is fine as the back up center--if we're lucky, then we'll see more of him. Booth would never get playing time here, barring injuries.
브래들리는 백업센터로 좋다.
But I think the big improvement will be when Van Horn comes in to give Dirk a rest. Currently, when Dirk sits, the offense falls completely apart. That happens even on a night like last night when Dirk wasn't shooting the ball well.
그러나 내가 생각하는 가장 큰 향상은 밴혼이 노비에게 쉴시간을 준다는 것이다. 노비가
쉬면 공격이 현저히 떨어진다. 노비가 슛을 잘 못쏘던 유타전에서도 증명됐다.
The reason, IMHO, is that so much of the offense now runs through Dirk, while it couldn't run through Henderson, that the team didn't (and doesn't) know how to score when he's resting. Well now the offense can stay the same and just run through KVH instead. He's not anywhere near as good as Dirk, but he's good enough (and his style is enough like Dirk's) to fill in for 10-15 minutes a game and take Dirk's place.

I also like the fact that a place on the 12-man roster is now open for MBenga (or maybe Pavel at times next year). There wasn't much future in not having a place on the roster for either of your big man projects. Henderson seemed like a good guy, and worked hard, but he had limited talent (I bet he makes a great doctor, though--he needs to think about starting medical school). Booth is a reasonable journeyman center. But with Damp, Bradley, MBenga, Pavel and Dirk all capable of playing center better than Henderson or Booth, I don't think we needed them
그리고 음뱅가가 뛸 수 있는 것도 다향이다. 헨더슨은 잘 뛰지만 재능이 부족하다. 부스는
저니맨이고...댐프,브래들리,음뱅자,파블,노비 모두 이 두 선수보다는 센터에서 잘 뛴다.

DubOverdose
Golden Member
I like that we now have QUALITY depth at every position. Harris is a great backup, so are Daniels and Stackhouse...Bradley could be the best backup C in the league...KVH is similar to Dirk in a few ways which should make this team's play a little more consistent throughout the game. What if the worst thing possible happens in the playoffs and Dirk goes down for a game or so? KVH is a good enough player to be a starter. The Mavs CAN win games with KVH starting PF which they couldn't do well with Booth/Henderson starting at PF.
모든 포지션에 양질의 백업을 만들었다는 점에서 좋다.해리스, 다니엘스,스택 전부다. 브래들리
는 리그 최고의 백업센터일 것이다. 밴혼은 어떤 면에서 노비와 비슷하다. 플옵에서 최악의
상황이 벌어지거나 노비가 부상당하면 어떻할 것인가? 밴혼은 선발이 될 정도로 좋은 선수다
아마 부스.헨더슨이 선발로 뛸 때보다 쉬게 게임을 이기게 할 것이다.

mary
Golden Member
I think there are 2 factors going right now that make people uneasy about this trade.
내 생각에 이 트레이드에 안좋은 것이 두가지 있다
One is the fact that the Mavs just completed a 5-0 road trip, and so we see the cliche of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" being heralded. I don't think people realize how little difference there was between a 5-0 road trip and a 1-4 road trip. I don't know how KVH will contribute defensively, but lets face it, the Mavs are not a defensive juggernaut, they are still primarily a scoring team that can clamp down defensively for one to two quarters. I like the fact that we have another offensive weapon now coming off the bench.
첫째로 마브스가 5개의 원정을 모두 승리로 이끌고 있다는 것. 그래서 난 트레이드안해..그런 식으로 보도가 난다음 일어났다는점.

Secondly, the fact that Dampier is out for an unknown period of time makes this a little squeamish in the short term. We'll probably see more of Dirk at center than we're comfortable with, but hopefully Damp will come back healthy soon and a Damp/Bradley combo is pretty damn good...with or without Hendu.
두번째로 뎀피어가 얼마나 빠질지 모른다는점. 노비를 계속 센터로 둬야될텐데...댐피어만
빨리 온다면 댐피어/브래들리는 헨더슨의 여부와 상관없이 좋지만...

All that being said, if we somehow reacquire Hendu, that would be awesome.
만약 헨더슨만 다시 얻는다면 정말 좋을 것이다.

SimonPhoenix11
Local user
We have thoughts all over the place here, so I just wanted to give a nice clean spot for everyone just getting back from work etc. to pick up.
모든 면에서고려해서 한 트레이드다.
KVH is an upgrade. He can score better, and do so in a more versatile way (inside and outside).
밴혼은 업그레이드다. 공격력 좋고, 다재다능하다.
He is taller and thicker than Henderson. If Henderson was a center, there is no reason Van Horn isn't also.
헨더슨보다 크고 말랐다. 헨더슨이 센터라면 밴혼이 못할 이유는 없다.

Henderson brought scrappiness and timely rebounds. Van Horn may not. Still, defensively, I don't think Henderson was the top guy on the team. He wasn't a shot blocker, and he wasn't a post presence on either side of the ball.
Van Horn won't really block shots, but he can at least put weight on an offensive player down low, and he can post up.

I've said it elsewhere, but I'll say it again. If Nellie 1) uses him as a big man, 2) doesn't use him as a point forward, 3) and doesn't convert to small ball or camp KVH at the 3 pt line, this will be a great acquisition... especially if the rumors of hendu coming back are true.


From Marc Stein, reporting on this trade:
마크 스테인...
When healthy, Van Horn would provide Dallas with another scorer, perhaps when star Dirk Nowitzki rests or even alongside him at small forward. Coach Don Nelson loves trying to create mismatches, so he might even pair the two perimeter-oriented big men at center and power forward.
건강할 때 밴혼은 마브스에 다른 공격옵션을 준다. 노비가 쉴때나 그가 스포로 뛸 때 그렇다
넬슨은 미스매치를 유발하길 좋아하고, 두명의 외각빅맨들은 그렇게 할 것이다.
Problem is, Van Horn isn't always healthy. He's missed 19 games this season because of tendinitis in his right ankle and has been hobbled often in his 10-year career. Milwaukee has mostly limited him to fewer than 20 minutes per game since he came off the injured list in January.
문제는 밴혼이 건강하지 않다는 것이다. 올해 19게임을 결장했다. 밀워키는 그런 그를 20분
이내로 조정했다.
In addition to his lessened role, the Bucks were willing to give him up for salary-cap reasons
아마 밀워키는 그의 줄어든 영향력과 샐러리캡때문에 포기했을 것이다.

ChefEd2000
DB Member
I just think it's very risky to disrupt the locker room especially when you just accomplished what you did by going 5-0 on the road. Why fix something that doesn't need to be fixed.....
그냥 5연승중인데, 라커룸 분위기를 망치는 위험성있는 트레이드라고 본다.
At this point I don't know what to think. I'm going to have to see how he adjusts and how long that takes........I'll say this. Mr. Van Horn better come with his A game or he will get run right out of the practice facility.....
지금 상태에서는 지켜볼 뿐이다. 밴혼이 얼마나 자신을 조정할지 그것이 얼마나 지속될지 볼뿐이다.

밀워키팬의 의견
MikeIsGood
Real GM
Good player when healthy on offense. Will give you 18/7 when he is starting and at the top of his game, like he did for us before his injury. He's bad off the bench (proven this and last year) and bad on defense, and his contract is bloated as a mofo.
밴혼은 건강할 때는 좋은 공격수다. 18점,7리바운드를 선바롤 줄 수 있다. 벤치에서 뛸 때는 그리 좋지 않고 수비도 않좋다. 계약도 그렇다.

carmelbrownqueen
Assistant GM
Keith Van Horn is a really good offensive player when healthy. He can rebound well and score the ball from almost anywhere on the floor. He doesn't have much confidence at times.. especially during the playoffs..and doesn't respond well to not starting. He is no where near 100% and isn't contributing much if anything at all right now. Tends to fumble balls out of bounds and can't always finish at the rim. Low basketball IQ.

When he is healthy he is usually an asset (except on defense)..but when he hurts anything he is completely useless to himself and the team.

VegasVic
Moderator
Right now when the season ends we will have for 05-06 contracts:

Desmond $7.2
Booth $6.3
Smith $6.3
Williams $1.8
Gaines $1.3
Ford $2.3

이제 올 시즌 후 우리는 25.2Mil만 보유하고 있다. 아마 레드를 계약하고 가즈릭은 버드권리로
계약ㅎ고 자자는 얼리버드로 계약하자.
That's it. Redd will count $6 million until he's re-signed so we will have a bunch of cash to use (hopefully). Gadz has Bird rights, Zaza early Bird. We are sitting good.'

paulpressey25
Coach
Props to Harris...he moved the unmoveable Van Horn....and a deal none of us saw coming.....

That (plus the james move) should put our total salary next year at about $25.2 million, then we have to resign Redd, Gads and ZaZa......hopefully Kohl is going to go all out and try to use the cap room to first get a big-name FA, then go after resigning our other guys....
밴혼은 트레이드할 수 없을 줄 알았는데 트레이드햇다. 이제 레드,가즈릭,자자만 재계약하면 된다. 그 다음에 남은 선수들을 FA에서 노려보자.

MikeIsGood
Real GM
Mo / Strick / Gaines
Redd / Dez/ Gaines
Dez / Kukoc / Henderson
Smith / Henderson / Kukoc / Zaza
Gadz / Zaza / Kukoc / Booth

There are so many combonations with how Terry runs his lineups that its next to impossible to make an accurate depth chart.
헨더슨을 웨이브한다면 스미스/쿠코치, 가즈릭/부스/자자가 되는군요.

NGrey
Coach
I like the trades, esp. losing KVH. My biggest concern for the remainder of this season is the dearth of outside shooters.
After Redd the pickings are now very slim. (not that VH was lighting it up)
밴혼을 버려서 정말 좋다.

[BGRANT44]

달라스가 얻은 것 1. 로테이션에 낄 선수의 집중 2. 노비의 휴식 3. 노비의 부상 대비 4. 넬슨식 농구하에서의 향상 5. 내년 트레이드 자산 획득 6. 로테이션의 다양화 달라스가 잃은 것 1. 팀 케미스트리(왜 거짓말하지? 트레이드안한다면서..) 2.헨더슨의 리바운드 3. 당장 늘은 샐러리(내년에 92Mil)

[먀싸예도프]

고생하셨습니다... 결국 이번 딜은 노비를 배려한 것이라는 인상이 강하군요... 이는 샌안토니오가 사이즈되는 모하메드를 영입함으로써 골밑에서의 던컨의 출장시간과 부담을 배려한 것과 같은 맥락 되겠습니다... 서부 결승은 샌안토니오와 댈러스가 되면 정말 볼만하겠습니다...

[NextBig3]

재밌는 딜이군요. 몇 시간 동안 고민하면서 분석할 거리가 하나 생겼군요.^^

[BGRANT44]

ㅎㅎ 기대하겟습니다. 멋진 분석..오늘 게임에 포드콜진 나온다는 루머있던데요.일단 액티브로는 올렸네요. 밴혼은 토요일(한국시간으로 일요일)피닉스전에나 볼 수 있답니다.

[노비츠키and던컨]

오 ~~ 포드콜진이 !! 두 팀 모두 플옵을 보고 결정한 딜이 아닌가 싶군요.. 이로써 두 팀 모두 최고의 벤치를 가지게 되었군요.. 핸더슨만 온다면 큐반의 존재를 의심할 여지가 없습니다만, 현지 기대처럼 먹튀만 안 되면 환상적인 딜이겠죠.. 먹튀만되지 마라 제발.!!!

[No.41 Dirk Nowitzki]

이 글을 보니 위안이 되는군요. 밴혼 먹튀짓 하지말고 열심히 뛰어주길 ... 생각해 보니 진짜 환상 벤치 네요.해리스,스텍하우스,다니엘스,암스트롱,밴혼,브래들리,포드콜진,음벵가(ㅋㅋ 빨리 자라거라). 생각할 수록 마음에 들어가고 있음. 활약을 보여주면 좋겠어요!

[BGRANT44]

캐쉬가 있는 것으로 봐서는 이미 합의된 듯합니다. 헨더슨오겠죠. 다만 이틀후에...동안님 말씀하신대로 FA나 바이아웃,웨이브된 선수는 데드라인 이후에도 올 수 있습니다. 다만...!!! 페이튼의 존재가 헨더슨을 데려올까를 망설이게 하는군요., 테리의 오늘 부진도 있고..--;;