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Anchor: Radio frequency ID, tiny chips to be potential of how to change the freight packages, pets, track all sorts of things. And now some people are risking their own health to get them. Tonight the great lengths, people are going to implant Radio Frequency Identification chips in their bodies.
Reporter: Twenty-eight-year-old Mickey Sklar has a lot in common with his two cats. They both have something that is sounds like comes right out of the future. Tiny implants loaded with their personal information. Chip surgically put into their bodies. They are called RFID tags, normally used to track things like shipping containers, and marathon runners. For the cats, it’s a device which keeps tags on them if they get lost. For Sklar, well, he says it’s to make life more convenient.
Sklar: I wanna use it as identification system, so I can get personal information to show up. So, I can scan my hand and have information about my favorite web sites and e-mail address, and weather, all be displayed for me through some custom harbor projects I’ve been working on.
Reporter: Sklar says he easily find his RFID tag on the internet, but finding someone to implant the device in his hand was a different story. That’s because Sklar’s RFID tag is not the type that is approved by Food & Drug Administration. He had to convince a friend who is a surgeon to implant it.
Sklar: I really didn’t feel anything during the surgical procedure which is about 7 minutes long on my kitchen table.
Reporter: Well, Sklar’s scar from surgery heals, big retail chains like WallMart are using more of the tags putting the low power Radio Frequency IDs in shipments to track them. Outside the
Dr. Feldman: The VeriChip technology is extremely useful and being able to quickly link the patient’s vital and medical information and contact information to the staff, that is taking care of that patient to provide them the timely and most efficient care.
Reporter: More and more hospitals are getting RFID readers in emergency rooms and VeriChips devices are doing so well, the company has just filed to go public. But here is a scary thought. All the uses for RFID tags are now bringing up questions whether the information stored in them is really safe from hackers.
Sklar: It is quite possible this tag could be hacked. Anyone with a simple laptop setup and a RFID intenna at the correct frequencies can pick up my tag number. There are other tags have more information on them, it might be much more interesting such as chase splint card and master cards, pay pass.
Reporter: VeriChip says, its chips are safe and the personal information on them can not be read without a VeriChip reader. But experts say RFID technology is getting more advanced as it gains water(??) acceptance, more companies are expected to use and profit from it. And very soon, Mickey Sklar and his two cats might not seem like something right out of science fiction.
On The Money, Liz Clayman, CNBC
Reporter: Amal Graafstra may not look like a cyborg, but his body is wired, simple wave of hand and his car opens. He needs to log on to his computer, no password needed, computer knows it’s him! Such tricks! Thanks to micro chip implanted in his hand called Radio Frequency Identification, RFID. Find out how? And maybe more important why he did this, he joins from
So, why did you do this?
Graafstra: Well, accentuately I did it at first to get rid of my keys. I didn’t like carrying around giant key ring full of keys to various doors, passage ways, cars and stuff like that. I really had a quite large key ring looked like a jailer’s key ring.
Reporter: Haha! Ya, so, and this chip implanted in you takes place of all those keys?
Graafstra: Well, that’s the idea ______ takes place of my car key to get in the car, my front door keys, I can get into my apartment door and went from there to computer login password, that kind of thing.
Reporter: Can you explain how it works?
Graafstra: Oh, sure. It’s a passive device; it just has a coil and a little chip. There is no battery included, it is not necessary. So, chip receives power from the reader, powers up and spits out its unique ID, and then that reader, depending on what system it is connected to can check that ID against authorized list and either let me in or log me in.
Reporter: So, the readers and all the devices you wanna be able to open or in your computer case, get into?
Graafstra: Ya, There’s different readers you can use, some are more expensive, some you know pretty cheap. In fact, this reader here is 30 dollars and it’s what I use it for my front door.
Reporter: So, where is your chip in your body?
Graafstra: The chips, actually I have two. One on each hand. It’s between the finger and the thumb, it’s right here, fleshy part.
Reporter: So, do you have to go right after to contact the reader? How do you do it?
Graafstra: Ya, The read ranges are 2inches so. When I need to get in someplace, I just place my hand against the sensor, it reads the chip and let’s me in.
Reporter: Now, Keys are of course for security, right? I mean, it’s true if you loose keys drop them on the street, if somebody knows they’re yours and they can get into wherever those key open. Can this system, this RFID system be hacked into, in anyway?
Graafstra: Ya, There are security issues that particularly with the chip of my left one in my hand which is EM for one or two. It might be possible for people to sneak on me and read it and emulate that tag to get into my front door. So those types of security issues kind of excluded this from a being a business applications but for home, obviously it is fine.
Reporter: Ya, Cause I think you are even said in interview, if somebody really wants to get into your house just kicked the door down.
Graafstra: Ya, There’s other easier ways to get in.
Reporter: First of all, Amal, do you think that people gonna be or are already interested in doing this?
Graafstra: Ya, There’s been quite a lot of interested actually. I just interviewed for a Spanish magazine about 2days ago and they did poll with a thousand people and from what I hear is that 40% so, they were interested getting some sort of tag.
Reporter: And of course the merchandizing industries really big into RFID, aren’t they?
Graafstra: Ya, They are using it quite a lot, in fact, this tag is right came out of the sweater that I’m wearing. And it has in it RFID tag that is used to track the inventory stuff like that.
Reporter: But it doesn’t track you?
Graafstra: Oh, well, that’s why I do say remove before wearing. So, the people do have privacy concerns about it, is that if the manufacturers of clothing would make these tags be permanently implanted in their garments and it would be possible to set up info-structure to track the garments around and if somehow linked to you, track you.
Reporter: And they could be linked to you if you, for instance, use credit card to buy that particular garment?
Graafstra: Indeed, yes, they could, but you can also loan your sweater to someone else and really follow him up.
Reporter: So, do you have any concerns about that sort of, that big brother aspect of this technology?
Graafstra: I think that any technology, particularly this kind could be used for that kind of oppressive, you know, type of big brother thing. But the ______ community using it kind of their own, you know behind closed doors for their own purposes. So, at this point people ruling the technology, not the other way around.
Reporter: Would you like to go, like you originally had one, now you have two, do you want more? Do you want more implants?
Graafstra; No, Actually, two is probably my max. The only reason I have right hand implanted is that chip is actually fill up the hi-tech chip, which has equipped security features and data storage. I can store data on the chip and get it off later, so, it kind of expands functionality that I can do with that chip.
Reporter: And actually do you see, would there be any, may not be a personal choice to restructure yourself it to, but would there be any usefulness in having several?
Graafstra: I think that the usefulness probably comes from you know, being able to access to different things. So, RFID right now is in broad range of technologies across to many different frequency spectrums. So, the implemented systems today, like front door access or access key cards, those kinds of things, there is no standard. So if someone wanted to, I suppose they could get implant just about anything that already exist.
Reporter: Oh, there somebody out there who want to do that?
Graafstra: Oh, well, probably.
Reporter: Thanks a lot Amal.
Graafstra: Thank you.
Reporter: Amal Graafstra is Auther of RFID toys, he is CEO of Text Groups and he joins in
Reporter: Amal Graafstra may not look like a cyborg, but his body is wired, simple wave of hand and his car opens. He needs to log on to his computer, no password needed, computer knows it’s him! Such tricks! Thanks to micro chip implanted in his hand called Radio Frequency Identification, RFID. Find out how? And maybe more important why he did this, he joins from Vancouver, B.C.
기 자 : 아말 그라프스트라씨는 사이보그처럼 보이지 않을수 있습니다,
하지만 그의몸은 무선연결되는데, 단순히 손만 흔들면 그의차문이 열립니다.
그는 컴푸터 로거 온(log on)작업을 위한 패스워드(비밀번호)도 필요치않는데,
컴푸터가 이미 그임을 알고 있기때문인데, 이런요술이죠!
무선주파수 신원확인(RFID)칩이라는것을 그의손에 이식한 덕택이죠. 어떻게 한건지 알아보죠. 아마 그가 이런일을 한 더중요한이유죠,그는 벤쿠퍼,B,C 에가입하고 있죠
So, why did you do this?
그래서 당신이 이렇게 한 이유인가요 ?
Graafstra: Well, accentuately I did it at first to get rid of my keys. I didn’t like carrying around giant key ring full of keys to various doors, passage ways, cars and stuff like that. I really had a quite large key ring looked like a jailer’s key ring.
그라프스트라: 어.. 강조하건데 나는 처음에 내열쇠들을 없애기 위해 이식했지요.
나는 커다란 열쇠꾸러미를 가지고 돌아다니고싶지 않았어요,
여러문들, 통과하는통로들, 차따위의그런것들 말입니다..
나는 실재로 교도소 간수열쇠같은 상당량의열쇠꾸러미가 있었어요.
Reporter: Haha! Ya, so, and this chip implanted in you takes place of all those keys?
기 자 : 아하 ! 네,,그래서, 이식받은 이칩이 그 모든 열쇠역활을 하나요 ?
Graafstra: Well, that’s the idea ______ takes place of my car key to get in the car, my front door keys, I can get into my apartment door and went from there to computer login password, that kind of thing.
그라프스트라: 네, 바로 그거예요. 그것이 차를 탈때는 차열쇠역활을 하고, 내 현관문열쇠 역활도 하는거죠, 나는 내 아파트 현관문을 바로 통과해 들어갈수 있죠,
예전 그런것에서 컴푸터 로그인까지 했던 그런것들을...
Reporter: Can you explain how it works?
기 자 : 그것이 어떻게 작동하는지 설명해줄수 있나요 ?
Graafstra: Oh, sure. It’s a passive device; it just has a coil and a little chip. There is no battery included, it is not necessary. So, chip receives power from the reader, powers up and spits out its unique ID, and then that reader, depending on what system it is connected to can check that ID against authorized list and either let me in or log me in.
그라프스트라 : 아, 물론이죠. 이건 수동(비활성)장치예요;
단순한 코일이 감겨있는 작은칩이예요. 밧데리는 내장되있지 않아요,
밧데리가 필요없죠. 그래서 칩이 판독기로부터 전력를 받지요,
전기에너지로 활성화가 되면 그칩고유의 번호(신원확인)전송해요,
그때 그 판독기가, 그신원확인(ID)번호가 인가되지 않는것인지를 대조할수 있지요.
그리고서 나를 들어보낼것인지 아님 로긴을 허락할것인지가 결정되죠.
Reporter: So, the readers and all the devices you wanna be able to open or in your computer case, get into?
기 자 : 그러면, 그 판독기들과 모든 당신이 원하는 장치들이 열게 할수 있나요 ? 아님 당신의 컴푸터에서 들어갈수 있게 하나요 ?
Graafstra: Ya, There’s different readers you can use, some are more expensive, some you know pretty cheap. In fact, this reader here is 30 dollars and it’s what I use it for my front door.
그라프스트라: 네, 당신이 사용할수 있는 여러판독기들이 있어요, 어떤것들은 아주 비싸요, 아시다시피,어떤것들은 아주 싸요. 사실인즉, 여기 이 판독기는 30$인데 제가 제 현관문에서 사용하는것이죠.
Reporter: So, where is your chip in your body?
기 자 : 그러면, 당신몸속 어디에 그칩이 있습니까 ?
Graafstra: The chips, actually I have two. One on each hand. It’s between the finger and the thumb, it’s right here, fleshy part.
그라프스트라: 그칩들은, 사실상, 두개여요. 하나는 각손에 하나씩이죠. 엄지와 검지 사이에 있죠, 바로 여기에 있어요, 살점이있는부분요.
Reporter: So, do you have to go right after to contact the reader? How do you do it?
기 자 : 그러면, 당신은 그 판독기를 스친후 바로 갈수 있나요 ? 어떻게 하세요?
Graafstra: Ya, The read ranges are 2inches so. When I need to get in someplace, I just place my hand against the sensor, it reads the chip and let’s me in.
그라프스트라 : 네, 그판독거리는 2 인치 정도 되요. 나는 어떤곳을 들어갈 필요가 있으면, 그냥 내손을 그감지기 반대편에 갔다대요, 그것이 그 칩을 읽고서 나를 들여보내주죠.
Reporter: Now, Keys are of course for security, right? I mean, it’s true if you loose keys drop them on the street, if somebody knows they’re yours and they can get into wherever those key open. Can this system, this RFID system be hacked into, in anyway?
기 자 : 자, 물론 열쇠는 안전을 위한것이죠, 그렇죠?
제 말은, 당신이 키를 두고오거나 거리에서 떨어뜨리면 그렇다는거죠,
만약 누군가 그것이 당신것이라는것을 알아 그들이 그 열쇠가 열수있는곳에 들어갈수 있다면.. 이시스템, 이 무선주파수신원확인(RFID)시스템이 어떤식으로든 헤킹을당한다면 ?
Graafstra: Ya, There are security issues that particularly with the chip of my left one in my hand which is EM for one or two. It might be possible for people to sneak on me and read it and emulate that tag to get into my front door. So those types of security issues kind of excluded this from a being a business applications but for home, obviously it is fine.
그라프스트라 : 네, 안전문제가 있어요,
특별히 내 왼손에 있는 칩인데 비상시를 대비한거죠, 한개나, 두개의 별도칩말입니다.
사람들이 몰래 다가와 그것을 읽고판독하여 모방하면 내현관문을 통과해 들어가는것이 가능할 것입니다. 그렇게 그런타입의 안전문제는 다소간 예외적인데 사업용 용도의 사용으로 금하고 하지만,가정용도용으로는 분명히 괜찮습니다.
이어서 내일 번역하겠습니다....
Reporter: Ya, Cause I think you are even said in interview, if somebody really wants to get into your house just kicked the door down.
기 자 : 네,
Graafstra: Ya, There’s other easier ways to get in.
Reporter: First of all, Amal, do you think that people gonna be or are already interested in doing this?
Graafstra: Ya, There’s been quite a lot of interested actually. I just interviewed for a Spanish magazine about 2days ago and they did poll with a thousand people and from what I hear is that 40% so, they were interested getting some sort of tag.
Reporter: And of course the merchandizing industries really big into RFID, aren’t they?
Graafstra: Ya, They are using it quite a lot, in fact, this tag is right came out of the sweater that I’m wearing. And it has in it RFID tag that is used to track the inventory stuff like that.
Reporter: But it doesn’t track you?
Graafstra: Oh, well, that’s why I do say remove before wearing. So, the people do have privacy concerns about it, is that if the manufacturers of clothing would make these tags be permanently implanted in their garments and it would be possible to set up info-structure to track the garments around and if somehow linked to you, track you.
Reporter: And they could be linked to you if you, for instance, use credit card to buy that particular garment?
Graafstra: Indeed, yes, they could, but you can also loan your sweater to someone else and really follow him up.
Reporter: So, do you have any concerns about that sort of, that big brother aspect of this technology?
Graafstra: I think that any technology, particularly this kind could be used for that kind of oppressive, you know, type of big brother thing. But the ______ community using it kind of their own, you know behind closed doors for their own purposes. So, at this point people ruling the technology, not the other way around.
Reporter: Would you like to go, like you originally had one, now you have two, do you want more? Do you want more implants?
Graafstra; No, Actually, two is probably my max. The only reason I have right hand implanted is that chip is actually fill up the hi-tech chip, which has equipped security features and data storage. I can store data on the chip and get it off later, so, it kind of expands functionality that I can do with that chip.
Reporter: And actually do you see, would there be any, may not be a personal choice to restructure yourself it to, but would there be any usefulness in having several?
Graafstra: I think that the usefulness probably comes from you know, being able to access to different things. So, RFID right now is in broad range of technologies across to many different frequency spectrums. So, the implemented systems today, like front door access or access key cards, those kinds of things, there is no standard. So if someone wanted to, I suppose they could get implant just about anything that already exist.
Reporter: Oh, there somebody out there who want to do that?
Graafstra: Oh, well, probably.
Reporter: Thanks a lot Amal.
Graafstra: Thank you.
Reporter: Amal Graafstra is Auther of RFID toys, he is CEO of Text Groups and he joins in Vancouver, B.C.
살속에 컴퓨터 칩을 이식한 사람이있습니다. 자신이 원해서 한 일입니다. RFID라고 하는 것입니다. 왜 칩이식을 했는지 물어보죠.
왜 하셨습니까?
여러가지 이유가 있지만 그중에서도 좀 편리하게 살고 싶어서 했습니다. 키를 가지고 다니지 않아도 돼고 컴퓨터 패스워드 안쳐도 돼고 비밀보안 유지에 좋기 때문이죠.
지문 감식 시스템 보다 한단계 앞선것이군요.
꼭 그렇지만은 않습니다. 지문 감식 같은것은 개개인이 타고난 지문을 가지고 있지만 RFID는 여러가지 종류가 있고 별로 안전성이 없는것도 있습니다. 하지만 모든것을 무선으로 해결 할수 있기때문에 지문을 찍거나 눈 감식을받으려고 뭘 만지거나 구부릴 필요 없이 손만 흔들면 돼지요.
지금 이프로를 보고 있는 사람들이 당신을 미쳤다고 생각할 수도 있는데요.
그럴 수도 있지요. 하지만 제생각엔 RFID는 벌써 우리 생활에 많이 쓰이고 있습니다. 여권에도 RFID표가 붙기 시작했고 많은 물건들, 옷이나 자동차 번호판등에도 많이 쓰이고 있습니다. 앞으로 여러가지 일에 RFID가 많이 쓰일것으로 생각합니다.
가족들이 모두 최신 테크놀로지에 관심이 많다고 들었는데요.
어머니는 Microsoft application 같은 IT와 관련된 강의를 하시구요. 할어버지도 비슷한 분야에 계시구요. 그래서 저의 부모님은 칩 이식에 관해서 이해하시구 언젠가는 부모님도 하실지도 모르지요.
부모님도 하셨습니까?
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인터넷에서 20명정도 칩 이식한 사람들을 만났습니다. 누가 해준것이 아니라 자신들이 직접 했지요. 세계에서 저보다도 먼저 칩 이식한 사람들도 있지요.
세계에서 30,35명 정도가 칩 이식을 받았다고 하는데요, 정말 그정도밖에 안됩니까?
자신이 직접한 사람들은 그정도지요. 병원에서 이식 받는 사람들은 많구요, 애완동물들도 몇년째 이식 받구 있구요. 상업적인 의도에서 이식받은 사람은 2000명 정도 돼는거 같습니다.
감사합니다. 칩 보관 잘 하시기 바랍니다.