스크랩 3월 19일 마릭 부영사와의 세계 여성의 날 기념 웹채팅 전문입니다.

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하이

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hi

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Good morning! As announced, we will have

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today`s web chat in English.

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^^

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We will invite Ms. Maric soon for a nice chat on women`s issues.

☆☆☆ 마릭 부영사님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

☆☆☆ 도롱이님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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하이

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hi

☆☆☆ 로즈님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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하이

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Hello, welcome

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^^/

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안녕하세요 !!!

☆☆☆ 역사학도님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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하이

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I want to start this morning with a discussion about women and education. Any questions to start?

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Good Morning! Vice Consul Natalia Maric!

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Before I start, let me introduce myself for those who don`t know me, I am a Vice Consul in the

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US Embassy here in Seoul. My name is Natalia Maric

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Good morning.

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My name is orange drink ^^*

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I agreed to participate today because I completed a Ph.D. dissertation on the role of women and

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읔 My ID orange drink

☆☆☆ 안미노님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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How long have been in Korea?

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economic growth. I focused specifically on the role that female education plays in developing

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economies

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I have been in Korea for 5 months

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Sound very interesting topic.

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I have particularly interested in following female participation in the economy during current

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global turndown in the economy.

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I was particularly surprised that in Korea 82 percent of layoffs are women`s jobs

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That`s really a fresh idea!

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I was wondering why you think more women are being laid off than men

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82 percent? I didn`t know that!!!

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This statistic comes from the National Statistical Office in Korea

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The most impacted age groups are women 20-39.

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Oh! That`s the reality we have not been awared of.

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If that`s true, that`s really a challenging issue.

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Korea has made a lot of progress in bringing women into the workplace over the last few decades.

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I know we Korean socieity had prejudice against woman`s role fifty years ago.

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저는 영어를 못하니 .....힘드네요.ㅋ ㅋ AIG 근무하는데요..하고싶은말이 많았느데 다음에 한국어로 할회가 있으면 다시오겠습니다..재미있게 하시고 퇴청합니다. 죄송합니다^^:

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Yes, but female participation in the economy has significantly increased over the last fifty years.

☆☆☆ 빠리꼬우님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

☆☆☆ 로즈님이 방을 나가셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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We do not feel that such prejudice still exists, but the statatics says it.

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로즈님처럼 한국어로 하고 싶은 말이 있으신 분들은 의견을 한국어로 게재하셔도 됩니다.

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네 ^^*

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As a consular officer, I am always encouraging people to come to the US to study.

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In particular, women`s education is very important and the US welcomes Korean

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students both male and female. However, I was noting that Korea statistics indicate

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Do many American femles participate in the ecnomy compare to Korea?

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that the more education a woman has, the more likely she is to remain in the work force.

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Female participation in the US is over 75 percent and women are an active part of our economic

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activity

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I was wondering what your thoughts were on the obstacles that women face in Korea?

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I guess it

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I think for some women it`s marriage?

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직장에서 여자는 시집 가면 끝이다 뭐 그런 생각이 있는거 같은되요 ^^;;;;

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comes from the sexual discrimination which still exists in Korea

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Well, most Koreans are now ready to welcome women as their leader more than ever before.

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I also think that the Korean working environment has changed a lot

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As I mentioned, a lot of progress has been made in Korea and the US. However, women face many

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challenges in balance work and family. In my research as a doctoral student, I found that whether

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educated women work or stay at home, they have a positive outcome on economic growth. The key

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problem is that women exit the workplace sometimes for up to 10 years to raise children and it is

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very difficult to re-enter the workforce while at the same time getting the most out of a woman’s

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training and education. It is a challenge in Korea and the US as well.

☆☆☆ ???님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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How has the working environment changed?

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Do women in America also face obstacles?

☆☆☆ ???님이 방을 나가셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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Yes, and it is actually much more serious challenge in Korea.

☆☆☆ ???님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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American women face many obstacles -- long work hours, family unfriendly workplaces, and finding

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good child care.

☆☆☆ ???님이 방을 나가셨습니다 ☆☆☆

☆☆☆ ???님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

☆☆☆ ???님이 방을 나가셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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Why do you think it is more challenging in Korea?

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The challenge is that many Koreans appreciate women`s role for beauty and physical appearance rather

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than their ability.

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한국은 조금 더할걸요

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When women work, the most important thing is the child care. But Korea just started

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If true that is unfortunate. Every day as a consular officer I see extremely intelligent and

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the child care system, and it is not yet stablized.

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capable Korea women coming for student visas. Korea has a wealth of untapped human capital in the

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female population.

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That is why women face many obstacles (I think)

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마자요

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Companies would prefer unmarried young women to married women. That is the challenge.

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really?

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To discriminate against women because of her marriage or parental status is illegal in the US.

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It is also illegal in Korea, too.

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The US government as an employer is absolutely outstanding at providing solutions for a family

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But people`s perspective does not change so much.

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friendly work environment.

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I have followed the work of the Ministry of Gender Inequality and the problem perhaps is not that

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the laws don`t exist, but rather enforcement.

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한국에서는 정직원으로 여성을 조금 뽑는거 같아요 거히 임시직으로 하는거 같아요

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Changing social perspectives on women`s participation in the workplace is evolutionary. Frankly,

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Korea has moved forward very rapidly.

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I hate to see women are discrimanated by their appearance.

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By enforcement I mean, company commitment to widespread acceptance of women in the

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workplace is evolving.

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The problem is that beauty has been idolozied.

☆☆☆ 신지연님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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^^

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The laws don`t exist, but rather enforcement? Enforcement by the Feminist policy?

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(Hi! I finally got in! :D)

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Feminist policy? What does that mean?

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Specifically, what kind of educations are there to develop women leaders?

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Well, Kim Dae Jung`s government is known for the Feminist policy.

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I think educational institutions, especially women`s colleges have been an

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outstanding forum for developing female leadership in Korea.

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However, we still have long way to go for changing some customs in work place.

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I was wondering what you think about the role women`s colleges play in expanding the role

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ah, like Ewha university!

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of women in leadership?

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Yes, you are suggesting a healthy way to improve women`s position.

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i think first, it kind of plays a big role in making a `womenized?` network?

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In the US, women`s universities like Smith, Wellesley, Vassar, and Bryn Mawr have played a vital

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role in nation wide acceptance of women in the workplace and in leadership roles.

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We have seen extreme feminist policy is not healthy to improve the environment.

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Secreatary Clinton is a graduate of Wellesly College and has been a strong advocate her

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entire career for increasing womens` leadership roles.

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I see. That`s why Wellesly College has been mentioned.

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As for feminist policy, a strong democracy should have room for all approaches to the topic.

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한국도 여자 대통령이 한번 나와야 여권신장이 될거 같네요 ^^ ... 여자 대통령이 나올 가능성이 아주 높거든요 ^^

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Does the US have any government policies regarding women`s political participation?

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from my understanding, some countries have certain quotas for women representatives in congress

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Well, I hope we soon have a woman president. But I distinguish it from Feminism.

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We have strong laws governing equal rights in the US. The Equal Employment Opportunity Act ensures

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legal protection for women against discrimination.

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^^;;

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The US government has many women in positions of power. In fact, Secretary Clinton ran an extremely

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competitive campaign to become President of the United States. She was also a US Senator and

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accomplished attorney.

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The US is seeing signs that the future of Korean foreign policy will be positively impacted by more

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female involvement.

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Secretary Clinton`s intellectual capacity is very impressive. I see her as a woman of discernment.

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Oh i see : )

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65.7 percent of the applicants passing the Korean diplomatic exam are women.

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wow

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32 percent of bar exam applicants who pass through the system in Korea are women and their are an

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움~~~

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65.7 percent! That`s an interesting statistics.

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increasing number of women judges and prosecutors.

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It all bodes well for the future of Korean women as leaders.

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I think the glass ceiling will eventually disappear : )

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Yes, on one side there is a group of women very successful. But on the other side

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I think that these exam statistics support the notion that the glass ceiling in Korea will

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be eliminated.

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there is still a group of women with less opportunity.

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What is glass ceiling?

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A glass ceiling is a metaphor for a barrier to entry into upper management and executive

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level jobs.

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However, you mentioned earlier about the high percentage of women`s layoffs in Korea. Wouldn`t this

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be the barriers for women to be the future leader?

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It is true that the higher level of education women attain in Korea, the more likely they are to

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remain employed.

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Yes, the glass ceiling will be removed. But bi-polarization is becoming the new reality.

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The glass exists in the US as well. Although the US has made progress, we are still evolving

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on this topic.

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Bi-polarization?

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Yes, many under previledged women still suffer from less oportunities.

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하드 한거는 전부 기계가 하고 소프트 한게 많아야 여성의 사회 진출이 잘될거에요

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^^

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Bi-polarization of very successful women and under-previledged women.

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Under-educated women in the US and Korea are often under-represented in the debate on gender

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equality.

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Korean women themselve also need to challenge their attitude.

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I think the focus should be in Korea and the US as well on developing women as human capital

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what are the qualities of women leaders?

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through education.

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Women leaders, like all leaders, have charisma, intelligence, education, drive and passion for their

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cause.

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What do you think are leadership qualities in Korean women?

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Many women went to colleges for improving marriage condition. They may need to change that attitude

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I think the connection between marriage and education is a thing of the past. They are not mutually

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exclusive.

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I will highly value women`s leadership as a mentor.

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움 여성의 교육으로 사회 진출 은 일단 그 직종이 소프트 한쪽으로 편중 된다고 생각 하거든요 그레서 사회가 조금 더 발전을 해서 하드 한쪽 보단 소프트 한쪽이 많아 지는게 중요하다

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고 봐요

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Speaking of mentoring, I think that in the US and Korea as well, mentoring of younger women by

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Yes, the connection betwen marriage and education is becoming a thing of the past in Korea.

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successful older women is crucial.

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Do you have an example of women`s mentoring?

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Yes i agree. There is not much chance for younger women to meet successful older women.

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The US supports women`s participation in the broadest range of the economic spectrum, in all

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industries and professions.

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In the US, there are organizations that bring successful women together with younger women in their

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profession. I am thinking of the American Bar Association, for example.

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Do these organizations exist in Korea?

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Ewha Alumni association?

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I have never heard such organizations in Korea.

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여성부 라고 있을걸요

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no, i haven`t heard of any. but our school has a mentoring program for female students.

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The US applauds all those effort and organization as they are vital vehicle for developing

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여성부 is not that kind of organization.

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women`s economic role.

☆☆☆ 신참봉님이 입장하셨습니다 ☆☆☆

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^^;;

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my school also runs a mentoring program, but most speakers and `mentor`s are men.

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Having male mentors is a sign of advancement. It means that learning from those

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The American Bar Assocation sounds an example of health way to improve women`s role.

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who have come before you is not a factor of gender, but rather competency.

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Female-female mentoring is more about shared experiences and shared obstacles. It is useful, but

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not all encompassing.

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i see : )

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I was thinking about Female-male mentoring also.

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i guess as the role of women in society in general increases, we will have more chance of meeting

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female mentors!

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It is a sign of gender equality when mentors engage based on their desire to share

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In my memory, I have women I respect as mentors.

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knowledge and not necessarily gender per se.

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The US has a very active community engaged on the topic of women`s studies, women`s education and

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women`s labor participation. How do you perceive the robustness of the debate in Korea?

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I have had both male and female mentors. My dissertation committee was entirely male and my advisor

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I want to support that debate as far as it moves to healthy direction.

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was male. I also had a female boss who has followed my career for more than 15 years

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and has been an immense source of guidance. I have benefited from both.

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Our current US Ambassador to Korea, Kathleen Stephens, is a person whose career has been an

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inspiration to women in the US following foreign policy careers.

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I want to distinguish that debate from Feminism because Feminism has gone to the extreme in Korea.

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Can you define extreme feminism?

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I think that is female who ask for gender equility to society

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Well, the Feminist movement suddenly went to the extreme during Kim Dae Jung and Roh Moo Hyun`s

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presidency.

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I heard when I joined the foreign service that there was a time that US diplomats were rated by

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It is actually Korean women who do not like extreme feminism.

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their supervisors on how their spouses performed as diplomatic wives. Also female diplomats in the

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US at one time were forced to quit when they got married. The foreign service as it exists today

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is not like that at all. There are many women diplomats who are married with children. I happen to

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be one of them. I have a husband and two children.

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so korean feminist have so many divorced!!

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That`s almost similar situation now in Korea.

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I support such role of women as mentors. But Korean feminist has focued on radical change of

역사학도	▶	social institutions and traditions.
역사학도	▶	Korean feminists are fighters destroying women`s role as mentors.

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I think you need to be careful about make generalizations there

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(.. )( ..)

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Korean feminists have focused issues such as removing father`s surname.

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I don`t know much about `extreme feminism` but

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But removing father`s surname is not the issue among American women.

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many universities nowadays celebrate international women`s day

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and have seminars on gender equality/feminism

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American women keep their maiden names and some take their husbands’. I took my husbands’,

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but my very good friend combined her maiden name and her husbands’ name into one

마릭 부영사	▶	last name. In the US it is all about personal choice.
역사학도	▶	That`s why I say Korean feminism has gone to the extreme.

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i think that korean feminyst so much say about how to get woman`s position but not say about woman`s

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I am delighted to hear that women`s issues are as important in academia in Korea as they

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duty at all in the society

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are in the US. It is important that women continue their progress in Korea and the United

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States. Women are a vital part of any countries economic strength. Women have

마릭 부영사	▶	a very important role in expanding a countries economic productivity.
신참봉	▶	for example korean male`s millitery service duty is not at all share in feminist`s issue...

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Could you tell us about some qualities of women that can lead economic activities?

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Thank you very much for helping us to refresh our understanding of women`s potential role.

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gender equility ask for korean woman mut have share on millitery service duty!

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Human capital is a strong indicator of economic growth. Male human capital and female capital each

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have a positive impact on growth. The more a nation invests in human capital, the more likely

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it is to prosper according to my research.

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Thank you for joining me today for this discussion.

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I enjoyed the opportunity to have a dialogue on this very important topic.

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^^

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Thank you so much, i learned a lot

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Thank you : )