<p><object width="425" height="344" allowNetworking='internal' allowScriptAccess='sameDomain' type='application/x-shockwave-flash'><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/kvLF0KQ0yhA&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/kvLF0KQ0yhA&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344" allowScriptAccess='sameDomain'></embed></object><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><span>Manchu history - 7. Origin <br><br>Where are the Manchu people from?<br>Just a few people know their origin.<br>Their origin was recorded very clearly because ...<br>Qing government published their own history book.<br><br>"The origin of Manchu" (滿洲源流考)<br>published by Qing government (1777)<br><br>Qing emperor Qianlong ordered to publish this book.<br>43 reknowned historians in Qing worked together to write this book.<br>Manchus are decendents of Jin dynasty (11151234)<br>The founder of Qing, Nurhachi, was descendent of Jin's royal family<br>Then, who built Jin dynasty?<br><br>"The name of the originator of Jin is Hanpu. He came from Goryeo (髙丽)" <br>(金之始祖讳哈富(旧作函普)初从髙丽来)<br>in Chapter 7<br><br>"The name of Jin(金) was originated from the surname of Kings of Silla(新羅) " <br>(新罗王金姓则金之逺派)<br>in Chapter 7<br><br>This book was published 500 years after Jin dynasty. So, some may not be sure the validity of this book.<br>There is another book written right after the end of Jin dynasty <br><br>"History of Jin (金史)" (in 1300s)<br><br>"History of Jin (金史)" is an official 24 history books of China<br><br>"The name of the founder of Jin(金) is Hampu(函普). When he came from Goryeo(高麗), his age was 60" <br>(金之始祖諱函普，初從高麗來，年已六十餘矣)<br>In the 1st chapter of The History of Jin(金史)<br><br>Just Google with 女真 阿骨打 新羅":<br><br>The originator of Wonan family (Jin's royal family) is a Silla person<br>"完顏之始祖指蒲者，新羅人" (from 大宋遗民)<br><br>"女真酋長乃新羅人" (from 松漠紀聞)<br>Jurchen's King is a Silla person<br><br>"女真阿骨打稱帝國號大金(...本新羅人)" (from 《佛祖歷代通載》卷19)<br>Jurchen Agolta named the state Great Gold (大金)(... He is originally a Silla person). <br><br>Why do some books read that he was from Goryeo, and others read that he was from Silla?<br>because Hampu was from Silla, and Silla became Goryeo when the books were written.<br><br>Did Jurchens know later that their ancestors were from Silla?<br><br>When Jurchens visited Goryeo, they said:<br>My ancestors (我祖宗) originated from the High country (大邦: Goryeo). <br>我祖宗出自大邦<br>from (高麗史13卷-世家13-睿宗1109)<br><br>It shows that Jurchen descendents were proud of their origin.<br><br>The royal family of Qing used the surname(愛新覺羅) to show their origin from Silla.<br><br>The Qing emperor's surname 愛新覺羅 means <br>Love Silla (愛 新.羅)<br>Remember Silla (覺 新.羅)<br><br>Manchus wanted to leave record that they were not Chinese.<br>So, Qing emperor Qianlong ordered to publish the history book to show their origin from Silla.<br>"The origin of Manchu" (1777)<br><br>The book also explains who Manchus are. (Manchu tribes in Volumn 1 to 7)<br><br>The book says that Manchus are not just Jurchen. <br><br>Manchu Tribe 1: Suksin, Buyeo (Korean)<br>Manchu Tribe 2: Yilou, Samhan (Korean), and Mulgil<br>Manchu Tribe 3: Baekje (Korean)<br>Manchu Tribe 4: Silla (Korean)<br>Manchu Tribe 5: Malgal <br>Manchu Tribe 6: Balhae (Korean)<br>Manchu Tribe 7: Wanan (Korean royal family), and GeonJu<br><br>Qing prohibited the term "Jurchen" referring to them. <br>They coined "Manchu" as the offical name referring to them.<br><br>Clearly Manchus was composed of Jurchen and Korean Altaic tribes.<br>Manchus had nothing to do with Chinese.<br>All this things were written by Manchu people during Qing<br><br>Read the book online:<br><br>google <br>"满洲源流考"<br>or<br>search "满洲源流考" in <a href="http://zh.wikisource.org/" target="_blank" title="http://zh.wikisource.org/" rel="nofollow" dir="ltr">http://zh.wikisource.org/</a><br><br>The origin of manchu:<br><a href="http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%BB%BF%E6%B4%B2%E6%BA%90%E6%B5%81%E8%80%83" target="_blank" title="http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%BB%BF%E6%B4%B2%E6%BA%90%E6%B5%81%E8%80%83" rel="nofollow" dir="ltr">http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%BB%...</a><br><br>The history of Jin:<br><a href="http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E9%87%91%E5%8F%B2/%E5%8D%B71" target="_blank" title="http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E9%87%91%E5%8F%B2/%E5%8D%B71" rel="nofollow" dir="ltr">http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E9%87%...</a><br><br>松漠紀聞:(Song Chinese record of the Jurchen king as a Silla person)<br><a href="http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%9D%BE%E6%BC%A0%E7%B4%80%E8%81%9E" target="_blank" title="http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%9D%BE%E6%BC%A0%E7%B4%80%E8%81%9E" rel="nofollow" dir="ltr">http://zh.wikisource.org/wiki/%E6%9D%...</a><br><br>Historic records about Manchus:<br><a href="http://altaic-wiki.wikispaces.com/Korean+connection+to+Manchus" target="_blank" title="http://altaic-wiki.wikispaces.com/Korean+connection+to+Manchus" rel="nofollow" dir="ltr">http://altaic-wiki.wikispaces.com/Kor...</a><br><br>Wikipedia about Hampu who is the originator of Jin:<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=12466302" target="_blank" title="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=12466302" rel="nofollow" dir="ltr">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.ht...</a></span></p><p><br></p><p><br></p><p><br></p>
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첫댓글consoleman09 님: Up until? 1990s, Chinese government said Manchus were originated from Korean, then in 1996, they've changed their mind. China slo used to said, their earliest civ was from Yellow river, now they said they from Yellow, Yangtze, Liao, Hong, and Mekong rivers.
첫댓글 consoleman09 님: Up until? 1990s, Chinese government said Manchus were originated from Korean, then in 1996, they've changed their mind. China slo used to said, their earliest civ was from Yellow river, now they said they from Yellow, Yangtze, Liao, Hong, and Mekong rivers.