전투기 Re: F-4G는 DACT 교전에서 F-15를 상대론 일말의 가능성이 있었지만 F-16에겐 그마저도 없었음

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F-4G와 EF-111A 레이븐의 EWO였던 분이 QUORA에서 F-4G와 F-15/F-16과의 DACT 훈련과 관련된 내용을 올렸네요. 

F-15는 30~40마일 너머 멀리서 포착이 가능해 AIM-7을 쏘고 격추에 실패하면 재빨리 이탈을 시도할 수 있었고 때때로 생존하는 데 성공했다고 합니다. 

F-16은 RWR 등의 경고장치가 켜지기 전까지 도저히 찾을 수 없어서 편하게 죽었다고 하네요. 

APQ-120은 거의 모든 게 수동이라 후방석의 WSO가 tilt나 gain, scan을 조정해 표적을 찾고 머리 속으로 방향과 고도를 계산해야 했다고 합니다. 

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/wild-weasel-ewo-explains-why-the-f-4g-had-a-small-chance-to-survive-a-dact-engagement-with-the-f-15-eagle-but-no-chance-with-the-f-16-viper/

Wild Weasel EWO explains why the F-4G had a small chance to survive a DACT engagement with the F-15 Eagle but no chance with the

• Cold War Era
• Military Aviation

Wild Weasel EWO explains why the F-4G had a small chance to survive a DACT engagement with the F-15 Eagle but no chance with the F-16 Viper

By Dario Leone

Jun 1 2023

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‘The small chance we had against an F-15 Eagle was gone against the F-16 Viper. Not even putting down the landing gear and letting him fly by us worked!!!’ Jim Howard, former F-4G and EF-111A EWO.

F-4G Wild Weasels were modified F-4E fighters with their cannon replaced by AN/APR-47 electronic warfare equipment. Their mission was to attack enemy air defenses, including surface-to-air missile (SAM) air defense radars. One hundred sixteen F-4Es were rebuilt as F-4Gs for this special purpose.

Carrying AGM-88A/B/C High Speed Anti-Radiation Missiles (HARM), the F-4G worked in concert with other F-4Gs or as a hunter aircraft directing fighter-bombers, such as the F-16, against SAM sites. The F-4G carried a pilot and an Electronic Warfare Officer (EWO), who navigated, assisted with communications and coordinated attacks on the SAM sites.

How did the F-4G fare against the F-15 Eagle and against the F-16 Viper during dissimilar aircraft combat training (DACT)?

‘In ancient times I was the last EWO in the 67th TFS Wild Weasel squadron when it converted from the F-4Cww to the F-15A,’ Jim Howard, former F-4G and EF-111A EWO, explains on Quora.

‘Sadly, the 67th recently shut down without a replacement.

‘All of my pilot friends raved about how much they loved the Eagle, and how easy it was to fly compared to the F-4. An F-15 instructor said he could solo a private pilot in the Eagle after three rides.

‘The Weasel mission moved to the 90TFS in the Philippines, and I wound up flying against the same guys in their Eagles a couple of times. The nice thing about the Eagle was that we in our F-4Gs had at least a small chance against them. We could see them a long way away and, and could exchange AIM-7 missiles head-on. Then we had to run away as fast as two J-79 motors could take us. To hang around F-15s in an F-4 was certain death, but we did sometimes succeed in living through the encounter.

‘The F-15 was a big target, we could see them 30 to 40 miles away head on.

‘(You have to remember that the AN/APQ-120 was a manually operated radar. The back seater had adjust tilt, gain, and scan to find a target, and then mentally compute his heading and altitude. This was easy to mess up in the heat of battle. Modern radars think for the operators, but those radars didn’t, not a bit.)

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‘Then F-16s showed up in the Pacific. The only nice thing about that was that you died relaxed because YOU COULDN’T SEE THE B******S UNTIL YOUR WARNING GEAR LITE UP. By then they were camped at your six o’clock and an AIM-9 was on the way, worse, a hail of 20mm rounds.’

Howard concludes;

‘The small chance we had against an Eagle was gone against the Viper. Not even putting down the landing gear and letting him fly by us worked!!!

‘(OK, that slow down and let him fly by tactics only worked in the movies. But nothing else would either if the Viper saw your first.)’

Photo credit: U.S. Air Force

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우리나라의 F-4 vs. F-16 모의 교전 사례는 여기 있습니다. ^^

https://cafe.daum.net/NTDS/515G/2764

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네 저도 며칠 전 저 곳에서 본 이 기사를 기억해뒀다가, 다른 글 찾아보다가 우연찮게 원글과 댓글을 읽어서 답글로 달아놨습니다 ^^

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앗 바로 그 글의 답글이었네요. ^^;;;;

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참고로 1960년대 후반에 이스라엘로 망명한 이라크 MiG-21을 미국에서 평가할 때 F-4C/D/E의 앞에서 낮게 들어오는 MiG-21을 F-4C/D/E가 탐지하지 못한다고 지적한 것이 보고서에 있습니다.

https://cafe.daum.net/NTDS/515G/2312