<P> <BR> <BR> <BR>오프라 윈프리쇼에 리사마리 프레슬리 출연했을 때의 인터뷰 전문 <BR> 2006.12.23 20:52 <BR> <BR><A href="http://tong.nate.com/birdslife/31110839">http://tong.nate.com/birdslife/31110839</A> <BR> <BR>Oprah Winfrey Show, March 29, 2005</P>
<P><BR>OPRAH: Please welcome Lisa Marie Presley. Hello. </P>
<P>Lisa: Hello. </P>
<P>OPRAH: All right. Let's sit down and chit chat. You're a little bitty </P>
<P>thing. You're little bitty. </P>
<P>Lisa: Oh. I am? </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Very petite. I never thought of you as this </P>
<P>petite. </P>
<P>Lisa: I'm pretty short, yes. I'm short. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yes. Well, short people call it petite. </P>
<P>Lisa: Oh, OK. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Now so let's talk about your music for a few minutes here. I think </P>
<P>it's like cut number seven on your new CD, there's a song called... </P>
<P>Lisa: "Idiot." </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. "Idiot." And in that song you write, `I'm gonna tell you what </P>
<P>I think about you in that unforgivable way that I do,' right? </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: You say that. `You're an idiot.' </P>
<P>Lisa: Uh-huh. </P>
<P>OPRAH: `And I hate your guts.' </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: `I guess I'm about as happy for you as I would be for a cockroach in </P>
<P>my food.' </P>
<P>Lisa: Sure. </P>
<P>OPRAH: `I know it's terrible. I really hate you, though.' </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: What's that about? </P>
<P>Lisa: Well, God, it speaks so well for itself. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: I'd had enough of somebody, and I just... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Who shall remain nameless? </P>
<P>Lisa: They'll remain nameless 'cause I don't want to ruin it for other </P>
<P>people. I think generally that song can speak for itself... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...for anyone on any subject. </P>
<P>OPRAH: That's why it's great. </P>
<P>Lisa: Thank you. </P>
<P>OPRAH: No, but I thought it was so interesting. Like, OK, cockroach in my </P>
<P>food. That's a good analogy. That kind of cuts to the chase. Wouldn't have </P>
<P>thought it would have made a good song, though. Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: I know. I know. I don't know how. Sometimes it works, </P>
<P>sometimes it doesn't, but that one worked, I thought, pretty well. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, it does, really well. Cockroach. OK. But, you know, you </P>
<P>have the reputation of being a little tough, right? But I--we--I think we </P>
<P>have a mutual friend who's told me that you are not just tough, but that </P>
<P>you're also loyal and says that you're an incredible mother and much softer </P>
<P>than people would think. Is that how you see yourself? </P>
<P>Lisa: I do. I do. I know that, but I don't necessarily think that </P>
<P>everyone else needs to know that at all times, because I--it leaves me sort of </P>
<P>vulnerable. You have to get a sort of a protective skin outside, you know... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...a bit, even if it's not real. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yes, that tough image thing, is that part of putting up a wall, or </P>
<P>is that part of what you use to protect yourself? Because if people thought </P>
<P>you were vulnerable... </P>
<P>Lisa: Oh, yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...they would be even more vulture-like. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. Yes. I think that that's--I think that naturally </P>
<P>happened through the evolution of my life. It just kind of--if you get that </P>
<P>much on you all the time, you kind of have to, or you're--you know, become a </P>
<P>drug addict or a--you know, you go the wrong way in life, and I don't know, I </P>
<P>just think it was a survival mechanism. </P>
<P>OPRAH: I said at the beginning of the show that the world is fascinated by </P>
<P>you, and I know we live in a culture that is fascinated by celebrities. I can </P>
<P>honestly say I interview a lot of celebrities, but I am not fascinated by </P>
<P>celebrities. I am fascinated by your life, and for--the truth of the matter </P>
<P>is, I never call up people or ask them to--never. I mean, I have people who </P>
<P>book people and they call people and over the years I--if somebody says they </P>
<P>don't want to do the show, fine with me. You don't have to do it. But when </P>
<P>you guys were on the cover of Vogue, I wrote a letter to Lisa Marie and </P>
<P>Priscilla and asking would they agree to come on and talk about their lives, </P>
<P>because I do think it's really fascinating, because everybody knows I grew up </P>
<P>poor--not even poor, po'. I was so poor, we were po'. And I'm fascinated by </P>
<P>someone who's grown up with your entire life, even before you were born, you </P>
<P>were in the headlines, and I was just thinking about, OK, who else could you </P>
<P>compare that to? John Kennedy Jr. perhaps. And what that does to your psyche </P>
<P>when part of your life--because, you know, I live a life where people know who </P>
<P>I am, but I knew who I was before people knew who--before people knew me. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: So what's fascinating to me is, before you even know who you are, </P>
<P>the world has an idea of who you should be. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And how does that affect your growing up? </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, that is something that I--it is plaguing, I have to </P>
<P>say, because, you know, I didn't really innately--I'm not someone who desires </P>
<P>or wants attention... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...and I've never been one of those people that run around, you </P>
<P>know, walking every red carpet and going to every opening of every envelope, </P>
<P>doing Presley perfumes and singing Elvis cover songs and--I'm just innately </P>
<P>not the kind of person that wants attention on me. </P>
<P>OPRAH: That wants attention, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Which has been my biggest battle and why it took me so long to </P>
<P>do a record, because I had to really find--I had to be OK with all of that </P>
<P>before doing it. And it is something that--and when I put the record out is </P>
<P>when I realized how much of that, what you're talking about, was there prior </P>
<P>to me sort of introducing myself and coming out in public and talking. I was </P>
<P>like, you know, I can't--you have no idea who I am. I have to really--like, I </P>
<P>have to really work here. You don't--I'm introducing myself to you for the </P>
<P>first time, and you have all these preconceived stacks on me. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Not only preconceived, yours is worse than preconceived, it's </P>
<P>preconceived and also what I want you to be. </P>
<P>Lisa: Exactly. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, what I want you to be. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. Thank you for pointing that out, yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah. But if your whole premise, your whole life is--that's </P>
<P>it, you're famous. You're famous from the day you are conceived in the womb </P>
<P>and we hear about it. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: How difficult has that been for you? </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, thankfully that hasn't been that difficult, thanks to </P>
<P>my parents, thanks to my mother as well. She was very adamant on having me </P>
<P>raised as normal as possible. She put in a, you know, normal school and kept </P>
<P>me away, and I don't feel like I was that exposed or had that eye on me so </P>
<P>much when I was growing up, thank God. Whoo. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: I give a few people happening now a run for their money. </P>
<P>OPRAH: You grew up in Graceland. I mean, you were driving a golf cart around... </P>
<P>Lisa: True. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...in Graceland in Memphis, Tennessee. You're going to Graceland. </P>
<P>Yeah, you grew up in Graceland with fans hanging on the walls and sometimes </P>
<P>jumping the walls and... </P>
<P>Lisa: I had no idea of what was any different, you know. I didn't </P>
<P>have a clue what wasn't normal about that, and because I went from that </P>
<P>to--once my parents got divorced--to a mother who was very much into </P>
<P>scheduling me and regimenting my life and making sure that I--you know, I had </P>
<P>such a dichotomy for a while there. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Now when you're a kid and before you got married then, you know, </P>
<P>there's only so many interesting things, I guess, people think kids can do, </P>
<P>and also you're still a child, and also, interestingly enough, when you were </P>
<P>growing up, the media was different than it is today. </P>
<P>Lisa: Whoo, you're not kidding. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, it is absolutely in the past decade become another kind of </P>
<P>animal. </P>
<P>Lisa: It is an animal, yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Another kind of animal. What has been for you, who has been written </P>
<P>about since before you're born, the most hurtful? I'm sure you've had phases </P>
<P>of things that were most hurtful. Most hurtful and untrue. </P>
<P>Lisa: I mean, they've gone from that I tried to kill myself to that </P>
<P>I'm 800 pounds to--you know what really pissed me off was this last one... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Don't you love it when--wait, wait, wait. Let me say--let's talk </P>
<P>about pounds. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, I know we can talk about this. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah--no, the pounds thing. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: You know, don't you love it when--OK, so you've gained some weight, </P>
<P>and they would just, like, come up with a number that is just so ridiculous, </P>
<P>you want to say, `Would you just get the number right? Would you not'... </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: You know. </P>
<P>Lisa: Exactly. No, I know you know what I'm talking about on this </P>
<P>one. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Because, I mean, you know, honestly--OK, I'm 5'2. I put like </P>
<P>10, 15 pounds on, I'm 180 pounds. At one point, they actually--you know when </P>
<P>they started doing this was when I was on my first tour. They thought--you </P>
<P>know, 'cause the record was doing well, so they were pissed off, and they </P>
<P>didn't have any other route to go but go, `OK, so we're gonna make her look </P>
<P>like what became of her father,' so what actually is behind it, it was this </P>
<P>whole campaign they ran. So they'd actually, you know, put these </P>
<P>unflattering--the most unflattering on the cover. Now you won't see them </P>
<P>doing that with anything flattering. And then they actually at one point took </P>
<P>a car--my car out of a photo and made my dress and my face as big as the car. </P>
<P>And it was on the cover. And I was sitting there going, `How can you actually </P>
<P>doctor this and get away with this?' </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: So that... </P>
<P>OPRAH: That--you were saying something really pissed you off. </P>
<P>Lisa: That pissed me off. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. Now I'm all pissed off and I forgot why--sorry. </P>
<P>OPRAH: No. We were talking about most hurtful. So the weight stuff, was </P>
<P>that really the most... </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, that--it wasn't so much the weight thing, because they </P>
<P>love it, they're so honed in on that right now, it's... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...sick and pathetic and I hate it, and it causes women to have </P>
<P>a lot of problems. </P>
<P>OPRAH: For me, it's either weight or marriage or not marriage. You're </P>
<P>married, you're not married. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: She's going to marry, she's not married. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: She's dumped, he's dumped. You're not--yeah, so--but that's my </P>
<P>thing... </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...weight and marriage. Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: That's all the care about. And cellulite. They care about </P>
<P>that, too. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And cellulite, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. And the focus is all about that. Even to the point where </P>
<P>sometimes I'm going through magazines and I don't know which is a legitimate </P>
<P>magazine anymore and which is the tabloids, you know. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, it's so, like, crazy on that front. </P>
<P>OPRAH: O is a legitimate magazine, O. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. That's right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...(Unintelligible) do that. OK, OK. OK. So--but for you, I mean, </P>
<P>oh my God, they've got plenty to deal with. You've been married--What?--three </P>
<P>times... </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...and have gone on the record as saying that... </P>
<P>Lisa: Uh-oh. Here we go. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Here we go. We're going there. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, I saw it. I saw it. Yup. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah, we're going there. That marriage to Michael </P>
<P>Jackson--that your marriage was for real... </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...and that you were in love with him. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: All of that was true. </P>
<P>Lisa: That's true. Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. And how old were you then? </P>
<P>Lisa: Twenty-five, 24. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Twenty-five. </P>
<P>Lisa: It was 12 years ago. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Uh-huh, yeah. OK. I'm gonna give you that. </P>
<P>Lisa: OK. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And looking back on that experience, what do you say to yourself </P>
<P>now? 'Cause we all have done things in our lives and you say, `I don't know </P>
<P>what I was thinking or didn't know what I was thinking, or that was a great </P>
<P>lesson for me.' I don't know. What do you say to yourself when you look at </P>
<P>that period in your life? </P>
<P>Lisa: Holy mother of God. Sorry. I'm sorry. </P>
<P>OPRAH: No, that's a good start. Yeah. Holy mother of God. I love </P>
<P>honesty. I just--I love it. What was going on where--that I'd read that you </P>
<P>guys were friends, and that he had been a great fan of your father's as, you </P>
<P>know, the world is. That's all true, right? And so--we know you all are </P>
<P>here. OK. OK. And that he just started calling you up and you all were </P>
<P>friends, right, talking. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And... </P>
<P>Lisa: He heard a demo tape of mine actually. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Ordered a demo tape. </P>
<P>Lisa: He heard one and wanted to sign me--he had a label, and I wasn't </P>
<P>gonna be signed on that at all, but someone convinced me that I should meet </P>
<P>him because it's good manners. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Good manners to go and meet him. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And so... </P>
<P>Lisa: Anyway, this wa--I was young. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, I got that. Michael Jackson is calling and then... </P>
<P>Lisa: You should have manners. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...you should at least call back. Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, you should meet him and say hello and whatever. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And so you did. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And your first impression was? </P>
<P>Lisa: My first impression was that he went very much out of his way </P>
<P>to disillusion me or--what's the word when someone's trying to--get rid </P>
<P>of--deprogram me of any previous ideas I might have had of him... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...so he sat me down and said, `I know you think this. I know </P>
<P>you think that. I know you'--and he was completely normal and he, like, knew </P>
<P>how to--he knew I had already thought at the time... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: He knew--sorry. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: I mean, you know, at the time he went into a whole--you know, </P>
<P>what I could have been thinking and what I might have thought, and quickly </P>
<P>went into describing how he wasn't that way and this was all a </P>
<P>misunderstanding, and he's done this and this is the truth and that's what's </P>
<P>been perceived. And at that time, you know, the way that he did that looped </P>
<P>me into, `Oh my God, you poor misunderstood soul.' </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: `I feel really bad for you.' </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: `You're out there and you're completely misunderstood and you're </P>
<P>not the same.' </P>
<P>OPRAH: I completely understand what you're saying because I met him and did </P>
<P>a live, around-the-world interview in 1992, and I'm telling you, my first </P>
<P>impression after meeting him was, `Oh, gee, he's nothing like the way he is </P>
<P>being portrayed.' </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Because he spoke to me in a normal voice... </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...and--true, right? </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes, yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: In a normal voice and there wasn't all of that stuff, and he seemed </P>
<P>really normal. Yes. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. He can when he wants to, when he's interested in you and </P>
<P>there's something that he's got to--if he doesn't care, he'll act like </P>
<P>whatever he wants, but if he's definitely got his eyes set or mind set on </P>
<P>something, he'll be as normal as he needs to be. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. And so he was very normal with you. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. Mm-hmm. Then I felt I got pulled into the `you poor, I </P>
<P>feel really bad,' and--you know, `You're really misunderstood' thing, and I </P>
<P>have a very soft sort of help thing with people, and I became friends with </P>
<P>him, and then at that point it was sort of a relationship of like, `I need to </P>
<P>talk,' and I was sort of like, `Wow, me?' And, you know, that sort of thing </P>
<P>happened, and... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Well, see, when I interviewed him, he had not been accused of </P>
<P>molestation or any kind--that first young boy had not appeared yet. That was a year... </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...before I interviewed him. </P>
<P>Lisa: I actually met him right before you interviewed him. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Really? </P>
<P>Lisa: That interview, yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. And so you guys became friends, and then those charges came </P>
<P>about... </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...the first charges. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. It happened after. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. After. And so what were you thinking that first time? </P>
<P>Lisa: Because he was calling me and, like, telling me everything about </P>
<P>extortion and everything that was going on and how--I had already fallen prey </P>
<P>to the `poor you' thing... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...you know, and I was still very vulnerable, I have to say. </P>
<P>I'd been married and had a baby by the time I was 21 and hadn't really been </P>
<P>out there much and didn't know a whole hell of a lot, and fell into something </P>
<P>in this naive way of, like, I want to save your soul, I want to help you. And </P>
<P>then he's calling me for advice and telling me what's happening, so I know. </P>
<P>And I'm already kind of, you know, enamored and sort of know it already in my </P>
<P>own mind. I'm already, like--he's already pulled me in by making me feel like </P>
<P>I'm the one he talks to. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, which is kind of almost a form of manipulation in a </P>
<P>way, you know, where you feel like you're the first person that I've </P>
<P>ever--you're who I'm talking to. Then you feel protective, you know. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: It's a mechanism. So I kind of fell right into that. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. And so how do you get from that to `I do?' </P>
<P>Lisa: Nice. </P>
<P>OPRAH: How do you get from there to `I do?' </P>
<P>Lisa: How do you get... </P>
<P>OPRAH: I mean, `I do?' </P>
<P>Lisa: Love--here's my--love has no manners. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Bono said that to me once, just out of nowhere, and I thought, </P>
<P>you know what? That's the truth. </P>
<P>OPRAH: The truth, sure. </P>
<P>Lisa: And how do you get from anywhere to `I do' sometimes, you know. </P>
<P>And for whatever reason in my life, I had to go through that. And I don't </P>
<P>know why I had to go through that, but I did, and I got through it and, you </P>
<P>know... </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. And 12 years ago, do you think--you said you loved him. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Do you think he loved you? </P>
<P>Lisa: Wow. Yeah. Thank you. God, it's hard for me to answer that </P>
<P>question. I don't know the answer to that, to be honest with you. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Do you think that he loved you as much as he could? </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. That, yes, as much as he was capable of loving somebody in </P>
<P>all that, yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: I like holy mother Mary of God. </P>
<P>OPRAH: So that was the new single from Lisa Marie's CD called "Now What," </P>
<P>coming out April 5th. </P>
<P>OK, here's the big one. Do you think he used you? </P>
<P>Lisa: Oprah, Miss Oprah, this seat is hot, let me tell you. </P>
<P>OPRAH: No, you can choose to answer or not. </P>
<P>Lisa: Do I think he did? It--all signs point to yes on that. Can't </P>
<P>answer for him. </P>
<P>OPRAH: I ask the question because, you know, I hadn't been following your </P>
<P>life, and just because you were coming on, I started reading, you know, all </P>
<P>things. I don't know, in this day and age, what you read is true or what </P>
<P>isn't true or even when you're supposedly quoted. But just when I add all the </P>
<P>pieces up, I thought, `Oh gee.' Well, that whole awards show thing and the </P>
<P>kissing and that was staged, you didn't even know that was gonna happen. </P>
<P>Lisa: No, I did not. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And then there was at one point--right, you didn't even know it was </P>
<P>gonna happen... </P>
<P>Lisa: No. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...there was a big kiss and the whole country's going, `What is </P>
<P>that?' And then there was another awards show where I had read this--I think </P>
<P>in Rolling Stone--where you are sitting in the audience, you haven't even seen </P>
<P>him for six weeks 'cause he'd disappear for... </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...weeks at a time, and he's singing to you on stage, and so to me </P>
<P>it just sounds like the whole thing was kind of manipulated. </P>
<P>Lisa: Insane. It was insane. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: It was. I will say that. </P>
<P>OPRAH: It was insane. </P>
<P>Lisa: I will say that it was--there was manipulation on that end. For </P>
<P>me, completely snowed, blind-sided, stupid, naive, every--you name it, I was </P>
<P>it. And, you know, had to go through that. I don't know. I was sort of just </P>
<P>enamored and pulled in, and when he wants to pull you in, he'll pull you in. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. So at some point you woke up and you said what? You obviously </P>
<P>said, `I'm out of here,' so what was that? Was there a defining moment or a </P>
<P>series of moments? </P>
<P>Lisa: Series. Just enough, you know. I'd just had enough, and </P>
<P>le--none of that had anything to do with, you know, anything happening now. </P>
<P>That's a whole 'nother--I don't even know anything about that subject. I'm </P>
<P>just saying between he and I, I was like, you know, this is not, you know--I'm </P>
<P>done. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And that interview that the two of you did together with Diane </P>
<P>Sawyer, that was sort of really the first time the country had heard you speak </P>
<P>and certainly speak together. Did you think that sort of set--created the </P>
<P>mind-set for who you were in a way that you regret or learned from or what? </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, on that front, I think I came out--you know, people </P>
<P>were talking about my spirit, my fire at the time, which kind of came through. </P>
<P>My unedited whatever you want to call me. And that definitely came out. </P>
<P>Blind and naive, yeah. That was on the other side of that. So I think that </P>
<P>that was kind of the--what--you know, what the hell's happening? </P>
<P>OPRAH: You know, I always go through life and I think that, first of all, </P>
<P>there isn't a person who's alive that's gonna not make mistakes. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And the bigger mistakes, the bigger I think the opportunity to learn </P>
<P>about yourself and to not make that mistake again. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: So what did that teach you, that encounter, that experience with </P>
<P>Michael Jackson? </P>
<P>Lisa: I really--God, so much, because it took me a good two years to </P>
<P>come out of that, you know. And I mean physically and mentally. I really had </P>
<P>to--I went through a lot to remove myself out of that, you know, 'cause you </P>
<P>sort of fall into a way of thinking and existing when you're in that bubble, </P>
<P>and it took me a long time to detach myself. And from doing that, I probably </P>
<P>learned a lot about being naive and stupid, and my help--you know, my urge to </P>
<P>help people, which is huge, which is why I admire you so much... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Thank you. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...on that... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Thank you. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, I mean it. You're like Mama Moses. Sorry. Sorry. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Mama Moses. OK. I like Mama Moses. </P>
<P>Lisa: I think... </P>
<P>OPRAH: That's great. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: That's great. But anyway--so you did learn from it, though, 'cause </P>
<P>there... </P>
<P>Lisa: Oh, yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. You did--from it. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, I had to shake it off and, you know, sort of rewalk again. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Were you depressed afterwards? Were you depressed? </P>
<P>Lisa: I was everything. I was everything. Chronic panic attacks, you </P>
<P>name it. I was a nut. I mean, I--a lot of my--yeah. That's when I started </P>
<P>writing again, music. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And is that the outlet for you? Is it a cleansing, or is it like </P>
<P>meditation? </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Very much. Purging, yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Through your own words. Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: My melodies, my words, yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Now the truth is I think that you represent--the reason why people </P>
<P>are fascinated, obviously, is because of your parents, but you also represent </P>
<P>millions of women out there who've gone through man troubles so, you know, </P>
<P>we're gonna talk a little more about men, 'cause there's others. </P>
<P>Lisa: I'm the poster child. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: You want to talk to me... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...I've seen it all. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. So let's move on--let's move on to Nicolas Cage. OK, you're </P>
<P>married to Nicolas for 108 days. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: How is it you date for two years--you date for two years--was it </P>
<P>volatile during the two years? </P>
<P>Lisa: Pretty much. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Were you guys--pretty much? </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: But even though it was volatile, you say `I do.' </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Mm-hmm. </P>
<P>Lisa: Mm-hmm. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Did you think--did you think that that was a person you were gonna </P>
<P>grow old with? </P>
<P>Lisa: No. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. You didn't. </P>
<P>Lisa: No. You know, that was one of those... </P>
<P>OPRAH: 'Cause I'm just wondering, when you marry, are you marrying for, you </P>
<P>know, people like, `Oh, I want to go out and sit on the porch with you' and </P>
<P>all that? You're not thinking sitting on the porch? </P>
<P>Lisa: I had a bad, bad habit, which no one else should have, and I </P>
<P>realized it only I--publicly--well, not me just, but--have had this... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yes. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...where I didn't think like that when I got married. </P>
<P>OPRAH: You didn't. </P>
<P>Lisa: I was caught up in some whirlwindy sort of, you know, idea, </P>
<P>romantic idea at that time... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Here. Some help there. OK, good. </P>
<P>Lisa: Thank you. Some idea of something I thought, and it was very, </P>
<P>you know... </P>
<P>OPRAH: So you weren't thinking--you really weren't thinking `till death do </P>
<P>us part?' </P>
<P>Lisa: No, I wasn't. </P>
<P>OPRAH: That's good. I mean, that's fine. OK. </P>
<P>Lisa: And I should have been, and that's why I've made as many </P>
<P>mistakes as I have. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. </P>
<P>Lisa: So... </P>
<P>OPRAH: I'm not saying that's good or bad, I'm just trying to understand </P>
<P>that when you may--like, when you marry, you're thinking, `Well, maybe it'll </P>
<P>work, maybe it won't.' </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. That's realistically, honestly how I was feeling. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. And I'd read that you said that you both were like two </P>
<P>12-year-olds in a sandbox. How so? </P>
<P>Lisa: We were two pirates. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Pirates. </P>
<P>Lisa: I would say pirates would be better to describe the two of us, </P>
<P>yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Really? </P>
<P>Lisa: You can't have two pirates. You can have one and then, you </P>
<P>know, what are they called, the ladies. </P>
<P>OPRAH: So is it true that there was just a fight? He just--not a fight, </P>
<P>but a disagreement or argument or whatever, and he said, `OK, I'm gonna get a </P>
<P>divorce?' </P>
<P>Lisa: (Nods head) </P>
<P>OPRAH: And then he did. </P>
<P>Lisa: Mm-hmm. </P>
<P>OPRAH: That is true. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. But... </P>
<P>OPRAH: And so how did you feel about that? </P>
<P>Lisa: I was upset. Anyway. I was upset, but you know what? </P>
<P>Honestly, I have to--I have to give him that he--that was not a fun time for </P>
<P>either of us. He did redeem himself in the end and we did become very good </P>
<P>friends after that, and it was just--we're better like that, and he's happily </P>
<P>married and has a baby coming now, which is great. So... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. Are you still friends or ...(unintelligible)? </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, we're fine. Yeah, we're fine. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, I think this was a Rolling Stone interview I'd read where </P>
<P>you'd said that marrying Danny Keough--or having children with Danny was one </P>
<P>of the best things that you'd ever done... </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...because you could have had no better father for your children. </P>
<P>Lisa: It's funny, because I don't get credit for that one. But... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. No, that was like--I think we were together for eight </P>
<P>years, possibly even 10. And I knew at 19 that that's who I wanted to have </P>
<P>children with. I've never had that same instinct with a man, you know, </P>
<P>knowing that it would be all good to go, safe. I knew that no matter what </P>
<P>happened, we could always be connected. And I don't know how I knew that at </P>
<P>such a young age, but I knew that with him. </P>
<P>OPRAH: At 19 you knew. </P>
<P>Lisa: Instinctively knew that and had those children with him, and </P>
<P>that has--and we are, like, best friends, brother and sister. He's in my band </P>
<P>now, and that's great and--for the kids. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And he's involved with the kids and lives on property and... </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, we have, like, a compound, and so he has his house, and, </P>
<P>you know, we spend the holidays together, which I never thought--it took a </P>
<P>long time to have that happen because it's hard to have a relationship </P>
<P>with--that kind of relationship with your ex. </P>
<P>OPRAH: You guys have a great relationship and raise the children together? </P>
<P>Lisa: I think it's very important if you have children with somebody </P>
<P>to keep your responsibility--you know, you have a responsibility there. </P>
<P>It's--you don't need to put what you guys went through or what you have with </P>
<P>each other on children, so you need to be resp--yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: At just 15 years old, Lisa Marie's daughter, Riley, is making a name </P>
<P>for herself in the world of high fashion. From modeling jewels for David </P>
<P>Yurman to gracing the cover of French Elle to rocking the runways of Milan in </P>
<P>Paris, camera loves Riley's dramatic features and moody stare. It looks like </P>
<P>this third-generation Presley is stepping out into a spotlight of her own. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Look at that. Are you proud of your mothering skills? When you </P>
<P>look at yourself as a mother, can you say--you would rate yourself where, </P>
<P>scale one to 10? </P>
<P>Lisa: Eight. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Eight. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Good. </P>
<P>Lisa: Eight. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Eight's good. </P>
<P>Lisa: Eight. </P>
<P>OPRAH: I think eight's about as good as you can go. </P>
<P>Lisa: Pretty much. </P>
<P> </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And why would you give yourself an eight? What is--what are you </P>
<P>best--what do you think you're best at as a mother? </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, just overwhelming them with affection and love. They </P>
<P>need to push me off of them constantly. I'm crazy about them, and they know </P>
<P>it and, you know, I--yeah. And then--but having that vs. being their </P>
<P>friend... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...trying really hard to be their friend as well as be a mother, </P>
<P>that's the fence you walk, which is important, because you have to--you can't </P>
<P>go too much on one side or the other. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, 'cause kids want discipline. They still do. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. </P>
<P>OPRAH: So I was talking to a friend the other day who has the advantages of </P>
<P>wealth and is famous, and was saying how difficult it is to raise children who </P>
<P>have no struggle. There is no struggle. And even if you're not famous and </P>
<P>you're watching this or you're here, if you have certainly a better life than </P>
<P>your parents had and your children have access to so many things, you </P>
<P>know--things--and they don't have to struggle. They don't have to--you know, </P>
<P>my father was like, `I walked six miles to school every day.' But there's no </P>
<P>struggle for kids because you want your kids to be able to have a better life </P>
<P>than you do. How do you create a value system? </P>
<P>Lisa: By being an example. </P>
<P>OPRAH: You know, because I'm saying, you know, if you're as wealthy as you </P>
<P>are, you don't even have to go to school. You can say, `Well, you need to get </P>
<P>an education because you're gonna need a job.' </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Well, not really. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. They could go that way. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: They could--you know what? First of all, you have to be an </P>
<P>example. You know, I'm not somebody who sits around. I don't--I'm not happy </P>
<P>unless I'm helping other people. That's how I am. Thank you. I'm </P>
<P>really--I'm not--I just can't sit well, which is why I did music, which is why </P>
<P>I'm involved in all the other stuff I'm involved in. I just personally am </P>
<P>not, and they watch me and they go with me and they see that. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Oh, OK. Uh-huh. </P>
<P>Lisa: So I bring them and, you know, Riley lights up, and so does Ben, </P>
<P>if they can help other people. I see the same thing going on. So, you know, </P>
<P>I'm not--you have to just be a good example with that, honestly. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Now is there ever a talk about, you know, out in the open when you </P>
<P>say, you know, like, `We are very famous people, and the world's gonna think </P>
<P>whatever of us, but there is a certain code of behavior that you need to </P>
<P>show?' </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: You ever have a talk about this life? </P>
<P>Lisa: Yes. I mean, what I would--what I had told Riley is that, you </P>
<P>know, you're gonna have--people don't like to hear whining celebrities. I </P>
<P>understand why not. But there is a reality in that to the degree that you're </P>
<P>famous is the same degree--to the same degree, people are gonna want you to </P>
<P>fail. They're gonna want you to fall as much as people want to root for you. </P>
<P>You're gonna have--more attention you're gonna get, the more you're gonna get </P>
<P>attacked... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...and that's the opposite side of the coin. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Have you found that to be true? </P>
<P>Lisa: Absolutely. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Absolutely. I think so, too. </P>
<P>Lisa: Without a doubt. </P>
<P>OPRAH: I think it's the yin and the yang of it. It really is. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. But see, the thing is that you don't want to whine and </P>
<P>complain because people go, `Yeah, but you have all this stuff,' and you're </P>
<P>going, `Yeah, but I have all this stuff, but then I have, like, you know, </P>
<P>attack, you know, and attack and attack from various different places,' and </P>
<P>people... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Now it's interesting, because I had the--you know, I was pull </P>
<P>syndrome, and, you know, being the underdog. Now what I definitely </P>
<P>discovered is--and I see this in the media all the time--that when you're </P>
<P>pulling yourself up and people have an expectation of who you are, they're </P>
<P>rooting for you. When you exceed that expectation, they often turn on you </P>
<P>'cause they don't know how to even explain it. You were never an underdog, </P>
<P>so... </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...when you're never an under--you don't even have people kind of in </P>
<P>the beginning rooting for you. They're like, `OK, you better--you better be </P>
<P>able to sing.' </P>
<P>Lisa: `You better have something to show me.' Yeah, exactly. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: That's exactly--but that's another negative. See, that energy </P>
<P>is very powerful on somebody, though. You can--I feel that. I can feel </P>
<P>people going, `Oh, yeah, what have you got to say?' </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, you've grown up in this way. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Were you afraid at first because of that? Were you afraid? </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. It's still not something that I'm gonna--I don't know if </P>
<P>I'm ever gonna cross that mountain completely, but I--what I tell them </P>
<P>basically is that, you know, if you're gonna do something, you be serious </P>
<P>about it and be a professional and don't screw around. I don't want you </P>
<P>hanging out in clubs. I don't want you running around LA, you know, doing the </P>
<P>whole number. I want you to be serious and professional about what you do. </P>
<P>And when you do that, that's the only shot you're gonna get, when you get </P>
<P>taken ser--then you'll get taken seriously. Then you're gonna be, you know... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. Were you worried about being taken seriously? </P>
<P>Lisa: Absolutely. To some degree. I mean, mostly what--I knew that I </P>
<P>did a good first record. I knew that it was good. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: I mean, I knew musically it was all right. I knew it wasn't a </P>
<P>pop sell-out thing, you know, which is maybe what people expected of me. On </P>
<P>the other hand, did I ever think it was possible or was I worried about </P>
<P>people's preconceived things and not being able to penetrate that? Yes, you </P>
<P>know. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. Uh-huh. Do you still worry? </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. I mean, it affects me if I hear it, if I see it. </P>
<P>OPRAH: OK. Do you always feel like you're being compared to your father or </P>
<P>compared to his legacy, or have you reached a place where you're </P>
<P>comfortab--you can embrace it, you can use it to, you know, infuse your own </P>
<P>life and not reject it or not feel like, `Oh, people are always thinking about </P>
<P>him when they're thinking about me?' </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. I think that that was a huge mountain to climb, and </P>
<P>ultimately, you know, there's gonna be some of that there, and I do embrace </P>
<P>it. I understand that part of it. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, but that's really the question. Do you embrace it... </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah. </P>
<P>OPRAH: ...or are you still trying to say, `No, I have my own life, I have </P>
<P>my own identity, I'... </P>
<P>Lisa: No, I'm trying to find a good balance between the two. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: It's not that I want to push that away and not... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...you know--you can't do that. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. You know what? That is very smart on your part, 'cause the </P>
<P>fact--first of all, you look like him. You look like him. And that's a good </P>
<P>thing. </P>
<P>Lisa: Thank you. </P>
<P>OPRAH: And that is a part of who you are. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. So to deny it would be denying a part of yourself. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: But at the other side of that, I want to move people through </P>
<P>music in my own way. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Not the way he did. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Not the way he did. Not even coming close to that. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: But just in my own way. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, he had his way, my mom has her way, and I've got my </P>
<P>little way that I'm doing my thing over here, and to have people be moved by </P>
<P>it and respond to my music because of whatever I say in my song means a hell </P>
<P>of a lot to me on the other side of that. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Do you know what I mean? </P>
<P>OPRAH: I can tell by the way you write it, yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: Yeah, thank you. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. </P>
<P>You're one of the few people I've talked to about this who talk </P>
<P>about the words, the lyrics, the melody. Everybody talks about making a hit. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: They're just interested in making a hit. </P>
<P>Lisa: Mm-hmm. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Don't care what it says, but it's a hit. </P>
<P>Lisa: Right. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: I hate that right now in music. I mean, it ruins the whole--I </P>
<P>can't--you can't write for that. You know, I don't actually listen to songs </P>
<P>that are "hits" personally. That's just me. I... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Who do you listen to? </P>
<P>Lisa: I listen to--I favor all '70s music. Anything from the '70s; </P>
<P>I like satellite radio. </P>
<P>OPRAH: That makes sense. Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: You know, I... </P>
<P>OPRAH: So when you write, you're not trying to make a hit? </P>
<P>Lisa: You know what? You write a hit, what's a hit? A hit's a good </P>
<P>song or a... </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: ...song that everyone agrees is--but they're all the same. </P>
<P>They're all, like, either teen-agers or it's rap. It's one of the two. It's </P>
<P>not really--and there's a couple Clay Aikens in there in between. I don't </P>
<P>know. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. </P>
<P>Lisa: There's not--it's not like something that I strive for </P>
<P>personally because I don't--I think that there's so many artists, there's so </P>
<P>much good music out there that's not being featured, that I can't--you know, I </P>
<P>can't think like that. </P>
<P>OPRAH: Yeah. You know who just--I'm getting distracted. You know why? </P>
<P>Lisa: Why, my hair again? </P>
<P>OPRAH: No, because... </P>
<P>Lisa: Oh. </P>
<P>OPRAH: No--yeah, but your hair, but I'm thinking not on--you can't deny it, </P>
<P>because not only do you look like him, his hair used to do that all the time. </P>
<P>OPRAH: So, guys, I can't believe this hour is up. That was so--literally, </P>
<P>I told you fascinating. Wasn't that the quickest hour? </P>
<P>Lisa: That was the quickest hour. </P>
<P>OPRAH: We ran out of time, so here's what we're gonna do. A whole 'nother </P>
<P>show that you don't want to miss tomorrow. Priscilla will be here for their </P>
<P>first mother-daughter TV interview ever. And I really--listen, I haven't </P>
<P>talked to Priscilla about this. I can't wait to see what she thought about </P>
<P>the Michael Jackson marriage. And tomorrow, Lisa's going to debut her new </P>
<P>single, and going to tell us all about the new love of her life. And her new </P>
<P>CD is called "Now What." We're gonna see tomorrow. </P>
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첫댓글당시를 생각해보면 리사의 답변도 웃기지만 그렇게 대답을 유도한 윈프리의 잘못도 있다고 생각합니다. 물론, 리사의 그후의 행동들이 일관성이 없고 이랬다 저랬다 하는걸 보면 또 윈프리 탓만은 아닌것 같고... 그러나 이 인터뷰때는 확실히 윈프리가 작정하고 유도 질문을 했다는 느낌은 지울 수가 없네요.
첫댓글 당시를 생각해보면 리사의 답변도 웃기지만 그렇게 대답을 유도한 윈프리의 잘못도 있다고 생각합니다. 물론, 리사의 그후의 행동들이 일관성이 없고 이랬다 저랬다 하는걸 보면 또 윈프리 탓만은 아닌것 같고... 그러나 이 인터뷰때는 확실히 윈프리가 작정하고 유도 질문을 했다는 느낌은 지울 수가 없네요.
오, 이거 보고 싶었는데 감사해요, 한번 읽어봐야 겠네요
도움이 되셨다니 기뻐여..^^
작정하고 마이클에게 불리한 답변을 일부러 유도하네요. 같은 흑인끼리 왜 저러지? 정말 못봐주겠군요. 리사마리는 예나 지금이나 여전히 순진하고...
그럼, 같은 황인종끼리 같은 한국인끼리 우리는 왜 싸울까요? ^^; 흑인이 문제가 아니라, 인간으로서 문제가 아닐까요..
정답~ 인간자체가 그리 되먹은 듯 ㅡ,,ㅡ 위하는 척 엄청하면서 은근슬쩍 돌려차기???
젠장 대체 뭐라는거야 ㅜㅡ 알아먹을수가 있어야지 크윽 궁금해...!!!