Re:가드님이 올린 <헤르모네게스 논박서>를 그대로 찾아 올려봅니다

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Chapter XVIII.--An Eulogy on the Wisdom and Word of God, by Which God

Made All Things of Nothing.

If any material was necessary to God in the creation of the world, as

Hermogenes supposed, God had a far nobler and more suitable one in His

own wisdom [6291] --one which was not to be gauged by the writings of

[6292] philosophers, but to be learnt from the words or prophets. This

alone, indeed, knew the mind of the Lord. For "who knoweth the things

of God, and the things in God, but the Spirit, which is in Him?" [6293]

Now His wisdom is that Spirit. This was His counsellor, the very way of

His wisdom and knowledge. [6294] Of this He made all things, making

them through It, and making them with It. "When He prepared the

heavens," so says (the Scripture [6295] ), "I was present with Him; and

when He strengthened above the winds the lofty clouds, and when He

secured the fountains [6296] which are under the heaven, I was present,

compacting these things [6297] along with Him. I was He [6298] in whom

He took delight; moreover, I daily rejoiced in His presence: for He

rejoiced when He had finished the world, and amongst the sons of men

did He show forth His pleasure." [6299] Now, who would not rather

approve of [6300] this as the fountain and origin of all things--of

this as, in very deed, the Matter of all Matter, not liable to any end,

[6301] not diverse in condition, not restless in motion, not ungraceful

in form, but natural, and proper, and duly proportioned, and beautiful,

such truly as even God might well have required, who requires His own

and not another's? Indeed, as soon as He perceived It to be necessary

for His creation of the world, He immediately creates It, and generates

It in Himself. "The Lord," says the Scripture, "possessed [6302] me,

the beginning of His ways for the creation of His works. Before the

worlds He founded me; before He made the earth, before the mountains

were settled in their places; moreover, before the hills He generated

me, and prior to the depths was I begotten." [6303] Let Hermogenes then

confess that the very Wisdom of God is declared to be born and created,

for the especial reason that we should not suppose that there is any

other being than God alone who is unbegotten and uncreated. For if

that, which from its being inherent in the Lord [6304] was of Him and

in Him, was yet not without a beginning,--I mean [6305] His wisdom,

which was then born and created, when in the thought of God It began to

assume motion [6306] for the arrangement of His creative works,--how

much more impossible [6307] is it that anything should have been

without a beginning which was extrinsic to the Lord! [6308] But if this

same Wisdom is the Word of God, in the capacity [6309] of Wisdom, and

(as being He) without whom nothing was made, just as also (nothing) was

set in order without Wisdom, how can it be that anything, except the

Father, should be older, and on this account indeed nobler, than the

Son of God, the only-begotten and first-begotten Word? Not to say that

[6310] what is unbegotten is stronger than that which is born, and what

is not made more powerful than that which is made. Because that which

did not require a Maker to give it existence, will be much more

elevated in rank than that which had an author to bring it into being.

On this principle, then, [6311] if evil is indeed unbegotten, whilst

the Son of God is begotten ("for," says God, "my heart hath emitted my

most excellent Word" [6312] ), I am not quite sure that evil may not be

introduced by good, the stronger by the weak, in the same way as the

unbegotten is by the begotten. Therefore on this ground Hermogenes puts

Matter even before God, by putting it before the Son. Because the Son

is the Word, and "the Word is God," [6313] and "I and my Father are

one." [6314] But after all, perhaps, [6315] the Son will patiently

enough submit to having that preferred before Him which (by

Hermogenes), is made equal to the Father!

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자꾸 논박서의부분적인것 만을 발췌하여 생각지말고 전체적으로 생각하세요 어쨌던 결론적으로 헤르모네게스에게 하는말로 위의 붉은 글씨를 보세요 "아들(예수)이 말씀이고 ,, 그 말씀이 하나님이고 아버지와 나는 하나"라고 하고 있습니다

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헤르모네게스는 "하나님은 말씀으로 창조하지않고, 이미 있는 물질을 가지고 세상을 만들었다?고 주장하는 이단자였습니다 그리고 예수를 등급낮은 피조물로 보는 그런 종속론자들에게 한편의 당시의 한개의 설명글로서,, 터툴리안의 사상을 다 판단하려해서도 안되고 할수는 없는것입니다 또 당시의 터툴리안의 삼위표현도 완벽한것은 아니라고 봅니다 그렇다고 해서 저의 말의 결론은 그가 삼위일체의 하나님을 믿지 않았다고 단정 할수는 없다는 것입니다