이틀 전인 1월 27일, 마틴은 역시 유명 작가인 Raymond E. Feist와 같이 인터넷 사이버챗을 통해 인터뷰를 했습니다. 관련 사이트는 www.asimovs.com였고요, 그 인터뷰에서 내용을 일부 옮겨보았습니다. 원문 또한 끝에 첨부합니다.
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ChatMod> 여러분 안녕하십니까, 참석해주셔서 감사합니다. 전 SCIFI의 벤 트럼블입니다. 오늘밤 참석해주신 작가들 Reymond E. Feist와 George R.R. Martin을 기쁜 마음으로 환영합니다. 오늘밤의 대화는 공상 과학 소설과 판타지 전문지의 선두를 이끄는 ANALOG와 ISAAC ASIMOV'S SCIENCE FICTION (www.asimovs.com)이 공동 주최하였습니다. 사회자는 Asimov의 편집자인 Gardner Dozois입니다.
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ChatMod> 잠시 진행 방식에 대해 알려 드리겠습니다. 작가들에게 하실 질문들은 ChatMod에게 개인 질문 형태로 보내주십시오.
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Gardner> 그러니까 레이, 전 조지가 Sci-Fi 작가로 시작했다가 전향했다는 것을 알고 있습니다. 당신은 판타지로 시작했습니까?
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REFeist> 아, 사실 전 영화로 시작했습니다. 전
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REFeist> 리차드 자눅에게 파면당한 가장 어린 수습 영화 편집자였어요.
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REFeist> 글 쓰는 건 늦게 시작했지요, 하지만 맞습니다, 판타지로 시작했어요.
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Gardner> 조지, 전 당신이 어떻게 판타지를 쓰기 시작했는지 알지만, 청중에게 말해주세요.
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grrm> 전 처음부터 판타지를 썼습니다. 처음으로 작품을 판 곳은 GALAXY였고, 두 번째는 FANTASTIC였습니다.
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grrm> 어렸을 때 그 두 잡지를 즐겨 읽었습니다. 하인라인(Heinlein), 톨킨(Tolkien), 하워드(Howard), 러브크래프트(Lovecraft), 모조리 읽었답니다.
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Gardner> 톨킨은 두분께 얼마나 큰 영향을 끼쳤습니까?
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REFeist> 톨킨이 영향을 끼치긴 했지만, 별로 크지는 않았습니다. 전
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REFeist> 모험 소설과, Fitz Lieber에게서 특히 많은 영향을 받았습니다.
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grrm> 제겐 커다란 영향을 끼쳤지요.
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Gardner> 조지, 혹시 그만큼이나 당신의 작품에 지대한 영향을 끼친 작가가 있습니까?
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grrm> 아, 톨킨 전에는 로버트 하워드(Robert E. Howard)가 있었어요. 전 미들 어스보다 코난을 먼저 접했습니다.
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grrm> 러브크래프트도 마찬가지였지만, 그는 대개 공포 작가로 여겨지지요.
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grrm> 그리고 물론, 잭 밴스(Jack Vance).
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Gardner> 물론이죠.
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grrm> 다잉 어스!(DYING EARTH)
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Gardner> 각각 현재 작업 중인 시리즈를 몇 권이나 쓰셨습니까?
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grrm> 전 아직도 4부를 집필 중이에요.
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REFeist> 아마 어제까지 111권이던가 . . .
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grrm> 마치 저의 반평생을 4부를 쓰는데 보낸 듯합니다.
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REFeist> 진지하게 말하면, 이번 시리즈는 5권 중 3권을 쓰고 있어요.
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Gardner> 하지만 이미 완결하신 다른 판타지 시리즈가 있겠지요?
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grrm> 제가 4부를 쓰던 동안 다른 작가들은 3부작 작품을 완결하곤 했답니다 . (주: 푸흡! ^^)
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REFeist> 뭐, 다 연결이 되거든요, 마치 제가
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REFeist> 제 세계관의 이어지는 역사를 쓰듯이.
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Gardner> 수를 다 센다면 지금 몇 권째입니까?
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REFeist> 지금까지 21권을 썼군요.
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Gardner> 저흰 지금 외면상 판타지 단편 모음집 LEGENDS II에 대해 이야기를 나누고 있지만, 여기 계신 작가들의 다른 작품에 대한 질문도 환영이라는 것을 밝혀둡니다.
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grrm> 그래요, 하지만 LEGENDS II는 정말 멋진 책이니 모두 사셔야 합니다. (주: 크핫핫, 전 작년에 구입! ^^;;)
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Gardner> 이제 말이 나왔으니, LEGENDS II가 도대체 무슨 책인지 말씀해주시지요.
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REFeist> 그리고 기억하세요, 정말 훌륭한 선물용이기도 하답니다!
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grrm> 실버봅이 여기서 책을 들고 있어야 하는데. 그가 편집장이거든요.
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Gardner> 실버버그가 책을 들기는 너무 나이가 들었을지도 모르겠군요. 정말 두꺼운 책이잖아요!
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grrm> 전 고작 The Sworn Sword,"라는 단편, 한 작품을 썼을 뿐이에요. LEGEND I에 처음 등장했던 덩크와 에그가 돌아왔죠.
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ChatMod> AKNicolle> to ChatMod>: GRRM and Ray에게 질문합니다: 처음 글을 쓰기 시작한 이후 장르가 어떻게 바뀌었다고 생각하시나요?
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Gardner> 이제 돈을 더 많이 줍니까?
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grrm> 장르를 어떻게 정의하느냐에 따라서 다르겠지요.
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grrm> 만약 단지 판타지라면, 붐이 일어났지요.
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REFeist> 저도 동의합니다. 상업적인 면으로 보자면 많은 변화가 있었습니다.
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REFeist> 작품들 자체를 평하자면, 예전과 다름없이 수작과 졸작이 빈번하게 나오고 있습니다.
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grrm> 만약 SF와 판타지를 함께 거론한다면, 한 쪽에서 다른 쪽으로 기운 것을 알 수 있습니다.
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REFeist> 네, 제가 쓰고 싶었던 SF 소설에 대한 이야기를 꺼내니까,
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REFeist> 제인 존슨(영국에 있는 저의 발행자)의 얼굴이 허옇게 질리더군요.
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grrm> 물론, 출판업계 역시 많은 변화가 있었지요. 모든 장르에서.
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ChatMod> Chooch> to ChatMod>: GRRM과 RF는 단편을 구상할 때 장편을 쓸 때와는 다르게 하시나요?
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REFeist> 단편은 장편 소설과는 필요 조건이 다릅니다.
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REFeist> 길이가 짧을수록 더 빨리 하고자 하는 이야기를 해야 하지요.
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REFeist> 전, 단편이 더 힘들더군요.
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grrm> 단편에는 같은 수준의 치밀함을 가질 수 없어요. 그래도 가끔 시도는 해보지만...
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grrm> 전 방대한 시리즈가 더 힘듭니다. 특히 4부는...
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REFeist> 좋았어 조지, 4부는 이렇게 끝내면 되네...
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REFeist> 지금까지 쓴 곳에다, "계속"이라 쓰고는 5권을 시작하라고.
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grrm> 악! 안 돼 안 돼, 그거야말로 내가 어떻게든 피하려는 것이라네...
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grrm> 그래도 어떤 날은 그런 유혹을 받기도 하지
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Gardner> 또 언제나 무난한, "그리고, 그들은 모두 트럭에 치여 죽었다. 끝."하고 쓸 수도 있겠죠. 하지만 이 경우는 트럭이 아니라 트롤이 나와야 하나...
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grrm> 난 트롤을 쓰지 않아요. WILD CARDS를 쓸 때라면 몰라도.
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REFeist> 사실, 난 "그리고, 그는 잠에서 깨어났다! 그건 모두 꿈이었던 것이다!" 를 더 선호하네만.
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Gardner> 그리고 우린 환불도 안해 줄 겁니다!
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grrm> 한 번은 태양이 신성으로 폭발하는 걸로 단편을 끝낸 적이 있었어. 꼭 해보고 싶었던 것이었지.
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ChatMod> Odie> to ChatMod>: grrm: 덩크와 에그의 이야기를 몇 편이나 더 쓸 건지 아시나요? "The Sworn Sword"의 끝부분을 볼 때, 최소한 한 편은 더 있을 것 같은데요.
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grrm> 오, 한 편이 아닙니다. 아마 여섯이나 일곱 편 정도 더 있을 거에요. 그들의 일생을 따르고 싶거든요
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grrm> 게다가 그들은 웨스테로스의 역사에서 특히나 격동적인 시기에 살았으니까요.
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grrm> 물론, 덩크와 에그의 다음 이야기를 쓰기 전에 우선 "A FEAST FOR CROWS"부터 끝내야겠지요.
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grrm> 아, D&E의 처음 이야기, "THe Hedge Knight,"가 멋진 만화책으로 나왔다는 사실을 알려야겠군요.
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ChatMod> 많은 사람들이 작가님이 Feast of Crows를 완결하는데 얼마나 가까이 가셨는지 알고 싶어합니다....
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grrm> 제가 원하는 것만큼 가깝지는 않습니다,
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Gardner> 대신해서 끝내버릴 지원자는 없습니까?
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REFeist> 돈은 얼마나 주는데요?
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ChatMod> to : 다른 질문입니다. 주인공들을 죽일 때 혹시 조금이라도 후회나 아픔을 느끼시는지 궁금합니다.
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grrm> 그렇습니다. "검들의 폭풍"에는 특히 악명을 떨치는 챕터가 하나 있는데, 정말 쓰기가 괴로웠습니다.
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grrm> 주인공들은 저의 일부입니다. 제가 그들을 죽여야 할 때는 정말 마음이 아프답니다.
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grrm> 전 레이와는 달리, 주인공들을 모두 사랑합니다. 악당들까지도요.
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ChatMod> Sax6ton> to ChatMod>: 두분 중 하이 판타지가 한물 갔다고 생각하시는 분은 없나요? 책에 참여한 어떤 작가는 "검과 용에 대한 소재"는 너무 구닥다리인 까닭에 절대 그런 소설을 쓰지 않겠다는 말을 했다고 들었습니다.
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REFeist> 에, Lou Reeds가 어디 있었습니까?
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grrm> 어느 작가가 그런 말을 했습니까? 이런.
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Gardner> 누군지 짐작이 가는군요.
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grrm> 모두 예전부터 있던 겁니다. 태양 아래 새로운 것은 아무것도 없죠. 모두 그것 가지고 무엇을 하느냐에 달렸지요.
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Gardner> LEGENDS II에 빠진 작가라면 누가 있겠습니까?
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grrm> 아, 전 지난 수 년간 실버봅에게 JACK VANCE의 다잉 어쓰 이야기가 모음집에 포함되어야 한다고 말해왔지요.
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Gardner> 맞아요!
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REFeist> 잭에 동의합니다. 그의 허락을 받을 수 있다면요.
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ChatMod> Sax6ton> to ChatMod>: Mr. Martin, 제가 특별히 얼음불이 끝나기를 바라는 건 아니지만, 가까운 미래에 SF로 귀환한다는 생각을 해보신 적은 없습니까?
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grrm> 로저 젤라즈니(Roger Zelazny)도 당연히 LEGENDS에 있어야 하지만, 너무 일찍 돌아가셨어요.
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grrm> 이 시리즈는 적어도 수 년이 더 걸릴 겁니다. 그 다음엔, 또 모르지요?
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REFeist> 아멘. 신들의 사회 (Lord of Light), '빛과 어둠의 짐승들' (Creatures of Light and Darkness), 그리고 Roadmarks는 모두 뛰어난 작품들입니다.
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grrm> 어슐라 레 귄(Ursula Le Guin)은 첫째 LEGENDS에 있었죠, 이번에도 포함되어야 했다고 생각합니다.
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REFeist> 그리고 스티픈 킹도.
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Gardner> 전 조지에게 최소한 SF 단편이라도 몇 편 쓰라고 졸라댔지만, 현재 시리즈가 끝나기 전에는 힘들 것 같습니다.
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grrm> 오, 그리고 닐 게이먼(Neil Gaiman)도 LEGENDS II에 있지요. 위대한 모던 판타지 작가의 한 명입니다.
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ChatMod> Jon> to ChatMod>: GRRM and REFeist에게: Legends 3부가 나올까요?
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grrm> 전 글을 쓸 겁니다... 하지만 결정권은 Robert Silverberg와 Del Rey 출판사에게 있고, 그리고 이번 책이 얼마나 잘 팔리는지에 따르겠지요.
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Gardner> 꽤 잘 팔린다고 생각합니다만 -- 상당히 비싸거든요.
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Gardner> 그러니 수익을 올리려면 더 힘이 듭니다..
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grrm> 맞아요.
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grrm> 하지만 작가들에겐 아주 좋은 책들입니다.
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Gardner> 하지만 LEGENDS가 수익을 올렸기에 LEGENDS II가 나오지 않았겠습니까?
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grrm> 물론 돈이 되는 것뿐만 아니라, LEGENDS는 독자의 층을 넓힙니다.
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grrm> 많은 사람들에게서 그들이 스티픈 킹이나 프라쳇의 이야기를 읽으려 LEGENDS I를 샀다가 저의 작품을 발견했다는 말을 들었거든요.
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ChatMod> 또 다른 질문...
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ChatMod> 두분은 모두 "서사시"라 불릴 만한 작품을 쓰셨습니다. 혹시 글을 쓰시다가 전체적으로 중요한 부분의 진행을 해야 하는데 세세한 묘사 때문에 짜증이 나던 적은 없으신지요?
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REFeist> 전 아니에요. 전 주인공들에 대한 것을 알아내는 과정을 즐깁니다.
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REFeist> 그들은 항상 절 놀래키고는 하지요
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grrm> 세세한 묘사에는 악마들이 도사린다고 할까요.
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Gardner> J.K. Rowling 또한 LEGENDS의 참여에 대한 제의를 받았지만 거부하지 않았습니까?
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REFeist> 글쎄요, 그러진 않은 것 같습니다만, 자세한 건 AGbob에 물으셔야 겠습니다.
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grrm> Silverbob에게 물어보시지요.
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Gardner> 적어도 상업적인 측면에서 보자면 좋은 아이디어인 듯싶습니다만.
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Gardner> 그녀의 책은 읽어보셨습니까? 그녀가 작가분들의 작품을 읽어보았다고 생각하십니까?
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grrm> 세 권을 읽어보았습니다. 그녀가 제 작품을 읽어보았다고는 생각되지 않습니다.
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REFeist> 그녀가 제 작품을 읽었는지는 전혀 모르겠습니다. 전 처음 세 권을 읽었습니다. 상당히 재밌더군요.
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Gardner> I haven't been to a Boskone in, gee, must be almost twenty years now. Fifteen at least.
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Odie> Well now I know why you didn't want pizza when we went out to dinner...NYC pizza indeed!
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grrm> I used to live in Iowa.
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AKNicolle> 12F and blowing snow here in IL
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Sax6ton> siberia-esque?
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Huskies4all> LOL! I went to 1 year of college in Iowa. That was enough for me.
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Jaime> i live in wisconsin...that is siberia if any place is
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grrm> When in Chicago, eat Greek.
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Lucieve> I think I drove through Iowa once. I'm not sure, I may have missed it.
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Gardner> Except that the people who live in Siberia find it more culturially interesting.
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Sax6ton> heh
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Sarig> WJ!
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grrm> I even brought Gardner to Iowa once. He met the secret nuns.
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WJ> Sarig!
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Jaime> :P
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Sarig> Getting late for us, really
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Sax6ton> what is their secret?
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Huskies4all> Secret nuns?
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Gardner> The last time we were in Chicago, you got into a lot of trouble for eating Greeks as I recall.
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WJ> indeed...
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grrm> the secret is... they're NUNS
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Gardner> Bill Bryson says that at the border of Iowa, they have a big sign saying "Welcome to Iowa. This is what it's like to be dead."
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REFeist> Hi, is this thing on?
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ChatMod> grrm -- can you type to the screen?
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grrm> sure
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Gardner> Well, the weather outside is frightful, but in here, we're so delightful or something. Made out of pixels, anyway.
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ChatMod> Hi everybody, thanks for joining us. I'm Ben Trumble for SCIFI. Tonight we퉟e pleased to welcome writers Raymond E. Feist and George R.R. Martin. Tonight's chat is co-produced by ANALOG and by ISAAC ASIMOV'S SCIENCE FICTION (www.asimovs.com) the leading pubishers of science fiction and fantasy in the magazine format. Our host is Asimov's editor Gardner Dozois.
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ChatMod> Brief word about the drill. This is a moderated chat -- please send your questions for our guests to ChatMod, as private messages. (To send a private message, either double-click on ChatMod or type "/msg ChatMod" on the command line - only without the quotes.)...Then hit Enter (or Return on a Mac.)
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Gardner> So, Ray, I know that George started out as a Sci-Fi Guy and then switched. Did you start out in fantasy?
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REFeist> Well, I actually started off in film. I was the
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REFeist> I got into writing late, but yes, fantasy first.
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REFeist> ga
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Gardner> George, I know how you got into writing fantasy, but tell the audience.
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grrm> I wrote fantasy right from the start, along with SF. My first sale was to GALAXY, my second to FANTASTIC.
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grrm> I read them both as well, as a kid. Heinlein, Tolkien, Howard, Lovecraft, read them all.
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ChatMod> Let me jump in while I remember -- we will be giving away an autographed copy of Legends II to a randomly selected audience member later in the chat...
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Gardner> How big an influence was Tolkien on both of you?
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REFeist> Then I'll take the first turn . .
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Gardner> Perhaps we could get a wizard to conjure him up...
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Gardner> GA, Ray.
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REFeist> Tolkien was an influence, but not that big for me. I
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grrm> hey, I got booted off, but I'm back
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REFeist> was more influenced by the adventure gus, and by Fitz Lieber.
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REFeist> GA
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Gardner> The question was, how much influence did Tolkien have on you?
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REFeist> Er, that's guys, not gus.
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grrm> Huge influence on me.
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Gardner> (If you get booted, try hitting the "Reload" bar on the top of your screen.)
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grrm> ok
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Gardner> Can you think of another fantasy writer, George, who had as big an effect on your work?
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grrm> Well, before Tolkien, there was Robert E. Howard. I discovered Conan before Middle Earth.
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Gardner> Me too. And Fritz Leiber.
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grrm> Lovecraft too, but he is usually counted as horror.
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Gardner> Ray, if Tolkien didn't influence you all that much, who did?
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grrm> Yes, Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser.
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grrm> And of course Jack Vance.
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Gardner> Of course.
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grrm> DYING EARTH
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REFeist> Let's see, Sir Walter Scott, Robert Louis Stevenson,
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grrm> Liane the Wayfarer, Chun the Unavoidable
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REFeist> Sabatini, H. Rider Haggard, A. Merrit,
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Gardner> Still Old Dead Englishmen, but in a slightly different key. (Scott & Stevenson that is, not Chun and Liane.)
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REFeist> Broughs Mars stuff, and just about
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REFeist> any good writer I could steal from.
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Gardner> Ray, do you think that having been a film editor had an effect on your work?
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REFeist> Yes. As well as working in theater. I think
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REFeist> in very cinematic/theatrical terms, in how
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REFeist> I see the work in progress. And I like
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REFeist> very chracter driven stuff.
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REFeist> ga
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Gardner> How many books in your respective series are you gentlemen up to now?
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grrm> I'm still working on number four.
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REFeist> About a hundred and eleven, as of yesteray . . .
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grrm> It seems I have been working on number four half my life.
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REFeist> Seriously, in this particular series, I'm writing book three of five.
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REFeist> ga
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Gardner> You have other fantasy series, though?
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grrm> Other writers have finished whole trilogies while I've been working on number four.
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REFeist> Well, they're all realated, as if I was doing
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REFeist> a continuing history of my world. GA
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Gardner> Counting them all, what number are you up to?
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REFeist> It's 21 novels so far.
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REFeist> ga
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Gardner> I should say to the audience that although we're ostensibly talking about the fantasy anthology LEGENDS II, questions about our guest's other work are welcome as well.
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grrm> Yes, but LEGENDS II is really swell and you all need to buy it.
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Gardner> Having said that, what ABOUT LEGENDS II. Tell folks about it. (Hold the cover up to the camera...)
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REFeist> And remember, they make wonderful gifts!
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grrm> Silverbob should be here to hold it up. He's the editor.
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Gardner> Silverberg may be too OLD to hold it up. This is one BIG book!
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grrm> Me, I just did a novella. "The Sworn Sword." The return of Dunk and Egg, from LEGENDS I.
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REFeist> Well, Silverbergh had me at "the check won't bounce." Seriously . .
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REFeist> Most of my work was big picture stuff, and
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REFeist> the smaller stories were very appealing to me in the collection.
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Gardner> What's your story called, Ray?
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grrm> If you all buy lots of copies, maybe some day there will be a LEGENDS III.
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Gardner> Did we lose Ray?
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Gardner> Ah, there he comes again.
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REFeist> Yes, but I just got beter.
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REFeist> Did the last answer get through?
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Gardner> You're not fooling anyone, you know.
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Gardner> No.
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REFeist> Anyway, I just wanted the chance to do
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REFeist> stories that were smaller in scale, more personal
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REFeist> than the epic stuff in the novels. And
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REFeist> the two collections gave me that chance.
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REFeist> ga
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Gardner> What's the name of your story, Ray?
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REFeist> The Messenger, which is a pretty straightforward
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REFeist> "what does that guy do?" sort of story about a
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REFeist> spear-carrier in the opera. GA
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ChatMod> AKNicolle> to ChatMod>: Addressed to both GRRM and Ray: How do you feel the genre has changed since you first started out?
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Gardner> They pay you more money now?
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grrm> Depends on how you define the genre.
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grrm> If it's just fantasy, it's boomed.
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REFeist> I agree. The category has changed in terms
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REFeist> of business. In terms of writing, I think
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REFeist> it's still some really good stuff and some junk. GA
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grrm> If you include SF and fantasy both, you have seen a shift from one to the other.
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REFeist> Yes, Jane Johnson (my publisher in England) goes pale
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REFeist> when I talk about an SF novel I want to write. GAS
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grrm> Of course, publishing has changed a lot as well. All genres.
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ChatMod> Chooch> to ChatMod>: Do GRRM and RF plot the short pieces differently than thier longer pieces?
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REFeist> By its nature, a short form piece has different
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REFeist> requirements than a novel. The shorter the story,
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REFeist> the faster you have to make your point.
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REFeist> ga
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REFeist> For me, short fiction is harder. ga
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grrm> You can't have the same level of complexity in a short story. Though sometimes I try.,..
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grrm> Giant megaseries are harder for me. Especially the fourth volume...
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ChatMod> WJ> to ChatMod>: To REF: We had recently a discussion, if there was a Moredhel language. There were some things in your books that on the one hand look like there was a language, and on some other occasions, it looked like there wasn't. So the question: Is there a moredhel language and in which way is it related to the other Elven languages
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REFeist> OK, George, here's how to finish the forth volume . .
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REFeist> Put To Be Continued where you are, then start volume 5.
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REFeist> ga
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grrm> ack! no, no, that's just what I've been trying to avoid...
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grrm> though some days I do get tempted
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Gardner> You could use the ever-reliable "And then they were all run over by a truck. The End." Although in this case, I suppose it would have to be a troll...
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grrm> I don't do Trolls. Except in WILD CARDS.
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REFeist> Actually, I prefer, And then he woke up! It was all a dream!
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ChatMod> Let me repeat that last question for REF
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ChatMod> to : To REF: We had recently a discussion, if there was a Moredhel language. There were some things in your books that on the one hand look like there was a language, and on some other occasions, it looked like there wasn't. So the question: Is there a moredhel language and in which way is it related to the other Elven languages
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Gardner> And we're not giving you your money back!
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grrm> I did once end a short story with the sun going nova. Always wanted to do that.
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Gardner> Ga, Ray.
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REFeist> OK, great question.
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REFeist> When I stayed awake during a linquistics
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REFeist> class in college, a point one lecturer made to
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REFeist> me was that in the 18th Century, a great
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REFeist> paraiste infestation destroyed a large part
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REFeist> of the Great Norther bison herd. The Cheynne split up
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REFeist> into two bands, one going north to live with the
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REFeist> Fifty years later they reunited, and they could
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REFeist> barely speak to one another. I view
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REFeist> the moredhel as the elves who haven't
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REFeist> spoken to their cousins in a hell of a long time.
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REFeist> They can communicate, but there's a lack
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REFeist> of neuance and sub-text. GA
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ChatMod> Odie> to ChatMod>: grrm: Do you have any idea yet on how many more Dunk and Egg stories you plan to write? Given the ending of The Sworn Sword, it seems that there will be at least one more, and possibly more given that Dunk eventually becomes Lord Commander of Aegon's Kingsguard.
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grrm> Oh, more than one. Maybe six or seven. I want to follow them through their lives.
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grrm> And they live in an especially eventful period of Westerosi history.
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grrm> Of course, I need to finish A FEAST FOR CROWS before I write the next Dunk & Egg.
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grrm> I should mention that the first D&E story, "THe Hedge Knight," has also been made into a great comic book
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REFeist> By Roaring Studios, to be follwed by . .
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grrm> by Roaring Studios. Script by Ben Avery, art by Mike S. Miller and Mike Crowell.
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REFeist> The Wood Boy, my story from Ledgens I.
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REFeist> ga
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ChatMod> Many people are asking just how close you are to finishing Feast of Crows....
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grrm> Not as close as I'd like to be,
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Gardner> Any volunteers to finish it FOR him?
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REFeist> What's it pay?
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ChatMod> Another less loaded question...
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ChatMod> to : I was curious to know if you have the slightest pang of regret when you kill off characters?
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REFeist> I don't. I find that it gives a sense of
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REFeist> peril that is sorely lacking in a lot of
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REFeist> ficiton. GA
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grrm> Yes. There is one infamous chapter in A STORM OF SWORDS that I could hardly bring myself to write.
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REFeist> I figure if I thought up one good character, there are more where he/she came from. GA
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Gardner> It gives me a pang when I realize that God probably feels no more compunction about killing off His characters.
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grrm> My characters are part of me. When I kill them, it hurts.
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REFeist> Like a good wrier, God can make as many as He wants. GA
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Gardner> Think how they feel.
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REFeist> I guess I just don't get emotionally attached. Some are far
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REFeist> more fun to write, but I'm not in love with any of them. GA
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ChatMod> Chooch> to ChatMod>: What are each of the author's daily writing practices? Music listening habits while writing?
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grrm> I, on the other hand, am in love with all of them. Even the bad guys.
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ChatMod> Just a reminder. We're chatting with writers Raymond E. Feist and George R.R. Martin. Tonight's chat is co-produced by Asimov's magazine (www.asimovs.com) Our host is Gardner Dozois. This is a moderated chat -- please send your questions for our guests to ChatMod, as private messages. (To send a private message, either double-click on ChatMod or type "/msg ChatMod" on the command line - only without the quotes.)...Then hit Enter (or Return on a Mac.)
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grrm> No music for me. No distractions. Just me, the computer, the beads of blood.
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REFeist> The bad guys are the most fun to write. That's why the villian in my last two books is the heor of the next one!
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REFeist> Anyway, I jump out of bed, run 20 miles, eat
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REFeist> grass clippings, cure cancer, then I start
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REFeist> writing . . .wait a minue, you want a real answer.
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REFeist> OK, I write between reading the newspaper, yelling at my
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Gardner> Don't forget the eight impossible things you have to do before breakfast...
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REFeist> kids, taking them to school, shopping, dating girls half my age, paying bills, etc.
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REFeist> I write all the time I'm not doing other stuff.
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REFeist> GA
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grrm> Ray has a much more interesting life than I do.
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Gardner> what about music?
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REFeist> Never while I'm working. If I do, I start dancing around the house, which a man
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REFeist> my age shouldn't do unless he's really trying to embarass his kids in
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REFeist> front of their friends. Actually, I often have sports talk radio going while I work. I can multi-task. GA
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Gardner> Hey, George, you could shop and pay bills TOO.
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grrm> Congrats, miranda.
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grrm> Enjoy the book.
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REFeist> MIranda, good for you!
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ChatMod> Sax6ton> to ChatMod>: Do either of you see the genre of High Fantasy as a tired one? One contributor to the book commented that he would never write andything with "stuff like swords and dragons" because it has become so cliche'd.
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grrm> We should mention that there's lots of other stuff in LEGENDS II besides my story and Ray's.
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Gardner> But not Miranda? She's a Rudolph Valentino fan, and she doesn't try to understand...(sorry, sixties flashback)
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REFeist> What, Lou Reeds in the house?
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grrm> Which contributor said that? Pfui on him or her.
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Gardner> I could guess.
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REFeist> Look, every time you start one of these
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grrm> Look, everything is old. Nothing new under the sun. It all depends on what you do with it.
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REFeist> conversations, you end up back at
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REFeist> Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crud. It's not what you do, folks,
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REFeist> it's how you do it. Or, if you're talking Armageddon Rag, it's also what you do. My favorite book by George.
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Gardner> Who else IS in LEGENDS II?
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grrm> Robin Hobb.
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REFeist> Tad Williams
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grrm> Her story is excellent, I think.
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ChatMod> Still one of only a few "rock" novels worth reading
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grrm> Scott Card.
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grrm> Silverberg has a Majipoor story as well as editing.
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REFeist> I'm doing shilling. ga
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Gardner> Who else SHOULD HAVE BEEN in LEGENDS II who ISN'T?
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grrm> There's Diana Gabaldon and Elizabeth Haydon.
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ChatMod> Lucieve> to ChatMod>: May we ask what influence, if any, the gentlemen believe their works have had on the fantasy genre as a whole?
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REFeist> Man, now you really want us to feel old!
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grrm> Well, I've been telling Silverbob for years that JACK VANCE should be in the books, with a Dying Earth story.
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REFeist> I was told by Sarrah Douglass I was an
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Gardner> Right on!
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REFeist> influence. I told her she'd have to prove it
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REFeist> and no jury on Eath would covict me.
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REFeist> Amen to Jack. If we can ever get him
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grrm> That's not for me to say. I see some books with "in the tradition of George R.R. Martin" on the cover, but they're not.
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REFeist> off of that damn yatch.
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grrm> I think there should be a law. If they want to be in my tradition, they should have to get my permission.
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Gardner> Ick. He's on a yatch? Sounds painful.
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grrm> Sounds like something in a Vance story, actually.
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Gardner> Many here would probably be willing to pay you for the priviledge, George.
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REFeist> Jack sits down to write, and Paul Allen calls him
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REFeist> and says, "Le's go sailing to Tahiti!" Drives Jacque Post
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REFeist> his Dutch publisher nuts. Jack is HUGE in Holland. GA
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ChatMod> Sax6ton> to ChatMod>: Mr. Martin, not that I'm eager to see an end to Fire and Ice, but do you see a personal return to SF anytime in the near future?
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grrm> Roger Zelazny would have belong in LEGENDS too, with Amber, but he died too soon.
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grrm> This series is going to take several more years at least. After that, who knows?
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REFeist> Amen. Lord of Light, Creatures of Light and Darkness, and Roadmarks are stunning.
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Gardner> Who else should have been in the infinately expansible version of LEGENDS II? Any overlooked and/or young writers who're doing really good fantasy work?
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REFeist> I'd like to see Steve Stirling and Bill Forstchen do fantasy work, and there should be
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REFeist> a Joel Rosenberg and Janny Wurts storie, IMHO.
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grrm> China Mieville. Lynn Flewelling. Daniel Abraham.
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REFeist> The fact I've collaborated with all of them tells you how I feel about their work.
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grrm> Ursula Le Guin was in the first LEGENDS, and should have been in this one.
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REFeist> Ditto Stephen King.
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Gardner> I've been nagging George to write some short SF at least, but I think it's unlikely to happen until after he finishes his book.
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grrm> Silverbob crossed genre lines to get Diana Gabaldon. He should have gotten Bernard Cornwell too.
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REFeist> I would have KILLED to get a Bernad Cornwell story in the collection.
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grrm> Oh, and Neil Gaiman is in LEGENDS II. We haven't mentioned him yet. One of the great modern fantasists.
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ChatMod> Jon> to ChatMod>: To both GRRM and REFeist: will there be a legends III?
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grrm> Neil comes out of comics, of course. Makes you wonder what Alan Moore, the other great comic writer of our day, could do.
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REFeist> Alan told me once he has trouble with the prose form.
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grrm> I'd write for it... but the decision rests with Robert Silverberg, and Del Rey Books, and depends on the sales on this one.
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Gardner> They sell pretty well, i'd guess--but they also cost a lot.
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Gardner> So there's a bigger nut to earn back.
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grrm> True.
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grrm> Very good books for the writers, though.
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Gardner> I assume that LEGENDS made money, though, or there wouldn't have been a LEGENDS II.
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grrm> Not only is the pay good, but LEGENDS broadens your audience.
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grrm> I've had lots of people say they discovered my work in LEGENDS I, after buying it for the King story or the Pratchett story, etc.
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REFeist> I'm am so tired of getting bombed off.
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REFeist> Did anyone mention Clive Barker? He should
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REFeist> have been in, too.
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grrm> Yes, Clive would be a good choice.
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Gardner> How about Peter Straub?
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REFeist> I loved Shadowland, but is there
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REFeist> ga
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ChatMod> Another question...
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ChatMod> You've both created works that could be called "epic" in scope. Do you ever find yourself getting impatient with the details while you are trying to complete a greater story arc?
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grrm> It's "stories by your favorite writers writing in their most famous universe."
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REFeist> I don't. I love discovering what my characers
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grrm> The devil is in the details.
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REFeist> ga
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Gardner> I assume that J.K. Rowland was asked to contribute to LEGENDS and did not?
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REFeist> I don't thinkso, but you'd have to ask AGbob.
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grrm> You'd have to ask Silverbob.
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Gardner> Would make sense, if only from a commercial standpoint.
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Gardner> Do you read her books? Do you think she reads yours?
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grrm> I've read three of them. I doubt she reads mine.
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REFeist> I have no idea if she's read my stuff, and I've read the 1st 3 books. Pretty fun stuff.
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REFeist> The only famous person I know who's read
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REFeist> me is Keith Richards of the Stones. ga
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Gardner> Before we wrap up, do either of you have any upcoming projects to plug other than ones we've discussed already?
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REFeist> King of Foxes, out in the US in April. Exile's Return
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REFeist> out in the UK in November!
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grrm> GRRM, my Retrospective collection, is out from Subterreanean. Half a million words of SF, fantasy,horror, and me.
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grrm> And there's the WILD CARDS reprints from iBooks.
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REFeist> Thanks for having us! Got to go.
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Gardner> Considering the staggering success of HARRY POTTER, do either of you have any intention of trying your hand at Young Adult fantasy?
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ChatMod> Our time is about up. Thanks for a great chat guys. Tonight's chat is co-produced by Asimov's magazine (www.asimovs.com) Join us again in two weeks when we'll be chatting with writers Tananarive Due, Nalo Hopkinson, Andrea Hairston, Nnedi Okorafor-Mbachu, and Kalamu ya Salaam. We'll open the floor now. Good night.
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Gardner> Thanks for coming, Ray!
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grrm> Good night, all. Thanks for coming.
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Huskies4all> Thanks!
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Typewriter-in-the-Sky> Establishment Blues.
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Lucieve> Thanks bunch!
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AelmanValyr> thanks
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Odie> Thanks George!
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Sax6ton> thanks to all three of you
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SometimesUseless> Day late, dollar short. :\
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Jon> thanks RAY and GRRM
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grrm> Hope you all enjoy LEGENDS.
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Chooch> Thanks
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EternalDragon> thanks a bunch!
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Gardner> Good night, George.
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palmerg> Thanks!
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aegonblutarsky> thanks
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Iseult> Thanks George
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mackaxx> shit
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Ashley> Thanks!!
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Riftwarking> thanks all!
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* Majken waves g'bye!
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clint65> thanks
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AelmanValyr> see ya
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Odie> Good luck with Feast
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Ravegoblin> Thanks Ray and George
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Cocomaan> Thanks Mr. Martin!
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SometimesUseless> Thanks on principal, then.
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NStVS> GRRM, don't leave us! :P
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NStVS> thanks though
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Jeordhi> You rock George, keep up the stellar work
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Riftwarking> Thanks Ray!
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TheMadQueen> Great chat, thank you!
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Typewriter-in-the-Sky> I didn't know Silverberg was called SilverBob by his intimates.
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Northern-canuck> Klahowyah
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Lucieve> No, leave us and get Feast done!
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Iseult> Thank you George
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Majken> xD
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Cocomaan> Never forget, Winter is coming Mr. Martin, I write it in bathroom stalls!
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Mandiric> Thanks for the awesome books, George.
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SpartanSoul> Darn dial-up service...guess I'll have to read the transcript. Missed it all.
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miranda> thanks
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Jeordhi> hahaha
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Gardner> Maybe if you all clap, George will come back...
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grrm> You're welcome, all. Good night.
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Solace> thank you, grrm!
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TheMadQueen> *clap clap*
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