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LISTENING & 영한통역연습 ABC (2011-06-7회) IS THERE A HEAVEN: WHO'S RIGHT
DIANE SAWYER (ABC NEWS): (OC) 그리고 오늘 마지막 소식은 천국의 존재를 생각해보는 것입니다. 그리고 이 논쟁에서는 전혀 어울리지 않는 두 사람이 대립되는 주장을 펼칩니다. 댄 해리스가 보도합니다.
And finally tonight, weighing in on the existence of heaven. Two unlikely opponents on opposing sides in this debate. Here's Dan Harris.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) 정말 생각하기 힘든 두 사람이 논쟁 상대인데요, 한 분은 세계적으로 유명한 과학자이고 상대는 내일 12살이 되는 네브라스카의 한 소년입니다.
You could hardly find two less likely debating partners, one of the most famous scientists on the planet and a boy from Nebraska who turns 12 tomorrow.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) 한 편에는 물리학자 스티븐 킹 박사이신데, “천국은 어둠을 두려워하는 사람들을 위한 동화이다”라고 말해서 최근 엄청난 논란을 불러일으켰었습니다. “나는 뇌를 부품이 기능하지 못하면 작동을 중지하는 컴퓨터라고 생각해요. 고장난 컴퓨터를 위한 저세상이나 천국은 없어요.”라고 덧붙였다. 다른 한 편에는 콜튼 버포라고 하는 소년 이 자신은 가본 적이 있기 때문에 천국이 실제 한다는 것을 알고 있다고 한다.
On one side, the physicist Stephen Hawking, who provoked a firestorm recently when he said that heaven is "a fairy story for people who are afraid of the dark." He went on to say, "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers." On the other side, young Colton Burpo, who says he knows heaven is real, because he's been there.
COLTON BURPO (SON): 예수님도 보게 되었구요, 그 다음에는 그의 사도인 바오로와 요한도 봤어요.
I got to see Jesus, and then two of the apostles, Peter and John.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) 그 일이 있었던 것은 나이 네 살 때였다고 합니다. 당시 사망이 임박한 상황에서 그는 응급 수술을 받았다. 목사인 그의 아버지가 “천국은 있다”라고 하는 콜튼의 경험담에 대해 쓴 책은 베스트셀러가 되었다. 목사인 그의 아버지는 자신의 아들이 의식을 되찾았을 때, 아들이 전혀 들은 적이 없는 것들을 알고 있었다고 하는데, 엄마가 유산을 한 적이 있었다는 것도 그 중의 하나였다.
He says this happened at age 4, when nearing death he underwent emergency surgery. His father, a pastor, has written a bestselling book about Colton's story, called "Heaven is for Real." He says when his son came to, he knew things that he'd never been told, including that his mother had had a miscarriage.
TODD BURPO (AUTHOR OF "HEAVEN IS REAL"): 그리고 아들이 내게 나한테 딸이 있는데 그 딸이나를 하늘 나라에서 기다리고 있다고 말한 바로 그 날, 그 날은 정말 신기한 날이었죠.
And that day that my son described to me my daughter that I have waiting for me in heaven, it was an incredible day.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) 호킹에 대한 콜튼은 반응은?
And Colton's reaction to Hawking?
COLTON BURPO (SON): 내가 믿을 수 있는 것은 믿을 수 있는 것이고, 믿지 않겠다면 그것도 괜찮아요 라고 말하겠어요.
I would say that, I can believe what I can believe and, if you don't believe it, okay.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (OC) 호킹 박사가 어린 아이인 콜튼 보다 훨씬 더 많은 책들을 썼고 훨씬 더 많은 높은 학위들을 갖고 있을지는 모르지만, 하지만 이 곳 우리 나라에서는 적어도 이번 논쟁의 승자는 12살 짜리가 될 가능성이 더 높을 것 같습니다.
Stephen Hawking may have written more books and may have many more advanced degrees than young Colton, but here in this country, at least, it's more than likely the winner of the debate would be the 12-year-old.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) 우리 국민들 사이에 하늘 나라가 순전히 영적인 세계인지 혹은 실제로 물리적으로 존재하는 곳인지 논란이 있기는 하지만, 중요한 것은 우리 국민 중 3분2가 하늘 나라가 실제로 있다고 하는 콜튼과 같은 생각을 하고 있다는 것입니다.
While there is some disagreement among Americans about whether heaven is a purely spiritual setting or an actual physical place, the bottom line is, roughly three-quarters of us agree with Colton that heaven is real.
RABBI DAVID WOLPE (SINAI TEMPLE): 과학은 눈에 보이고, 측정할 수 있는 것만 측정합니다. 그렇기 때문에 그것만 존재한다고 생각하죠.
Science measures things that are visible, that are measurable. And because it does, it starts to assume that that's all that exists.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) 오늘 누군가가 우리에게 말했듯이, 이번 논쟁은 “아이들이 그들을 이끌리라”라고 말한 이사야의 한 구절을 생각하게 합니다.
As one person told us today, this debate brings to mind that line from Isaiah, "a child shall lead them." Dan Harris, ABC News.
ABC NEWS STORY (7) IS THERE A HEAVEN: WHO'S RIGHT
DIANE SAWYER (ABC NEWS): (OC) And finally tonight, weighing in on the existence of heaven. Two unlikely opponents on opposing sides in this debate. Here's Dan Harris.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) You could hardly find two less likely debating partners, one of the most famous scientists on the planet and a boy from Nebraska who turns 12 tomorrow.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) On one side, the physicist Stephen Hawking, who provoked a firestorm recently when he said that heaven is "a fairy story for people who are afraid of the dark." He went on to say, "I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail. There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers." On the other side, young Colton Burpo, who says he knows heaven is real, because he's been there.
COLTON BURPO (SON): I got to see Jesus, and then two of the apostles, Peter and John.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) He says this happened at age 4, when nearing death he underwent emergency surgery. His father, a pastor, has written a bestselling book about Colton's story, called "Heaven is for Real." He says when his son came to, he knew things that he'd never been told, including that his mother had had a miscarriage.
TODD BURPO (AUTHOR OF "HEAVEN IS REAL"): And that day that my son described to me my daughter that I have waiting for me in heaven, it was an incredible day.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) And Colton's reaction to Hawking?
COLTON BURPO (SON): I would say that, I can believe what I can believe and, if you don't believe it, okay.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (OC) Stephen Hawking may have written more books and may have many more advanced degrees than young Colton, but here in this country, at least, it's more than likely the winner of the debate would be the 12-year-old.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) While there is some disagreement among Americans about whether heaven is a purely spiritual setting or an actual physical place, the bottom line is, roughly three-quarters of us agree with Colton that heaven is real.
RABBI DAVID WOLPE (SINAI TEMPLE): Science measures things that are visible, that are measurable. And because it does, it starts to assume that that's all that exists.
DAN HARRIS (ABC NEWS): (VO) As one person told us today, this debate brings to mind that line from Isaiah, "a child shall lead them." Dan Harris, ABC News.
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