KCP 밥존스과 릭조이너의 ( 직계그룹 & 추종그룹 )을 경계하라

밥존스과  릭조이너의  ( 직계그룹 & 추종그룹 )을  경계하라   Bob Jones & Paul Keith Davis  - white dove ministry    밥존스 &  폴 케이스 데이빗 Bobby Conner - Demonstration of God´s Power           바비 코너 Shawn Bolz - Expression‎58 Ministries,                        샨볼츠 Jeff Jansen - Global Fire Ministries                              제프 잰슨 John Paul Jackson - Streams Ministries                      쟌 폴 잭슨 Larry Randolph - Larry Randolph Ministries                래리 랜돌프   Patricia King - Extreme Prophetic                                패트리셔 킹 Rick Joyner - MorningStar Ministries                           릭조이너 Rolland & Heidi Baker - Iris Ministries                          히이디 베이커 Todd Bentley - Fresh Fire Ministries                            타드 벤트리         거짓 선지자 밥존스에  관하여     Bob Jones first became known by being part of the Kansas city prophets back in the 1980’s. During this time period there was a group called Grace Ministries' ministerial team which consisted of Paul Cain, Bob Jones, John Paul Jackson, David Parker, Jim Goll, Francis Frangipane and Mike Bickle that were of the former the Kansas City Fellowship[KCF] (that became the Metro Vineyard of Kansas City). Nearly everyone one of these men are separately or collectively involved in the “Latter Rain” false revivals that have taken place. Paul Cain, Mike Bickle (and others) are friends to his ministry and were involved in the prophetic movement that entered the Vineyard church under John Wimber and are now part of the new apostolic reformation of Peter Wagner who was friends with Wimber. Many that run in prophetic circles have respect for Jones, others Have a DIFFERENT OPINION and consider Jones a blatant false teacher/prophet that needs to be avoided. Jones has not changed his perspective in over 20 years, he continues to influence many. He has been a major influence behind the new revival through Todd Bentley, a Toronto style copy. Bob Jones’ spiritual experiences are extraordinary to say the least. They consist of “Voices,” “angels,” and “translations to heaven” which give him revelations that are not only contrary to Scripture but are easily categorized as of the New Age variety of spirituality.     Jones is whom Todd Bentley looks to as a senior prophet and mentor. Mike Bickle a close friend of Jones relates the degree of supernatural visitation Bob Jones received nightly: “You know, I'm going to tell you something about Bob. Ever since that time in '74 when he was filled with the Holy Spirit he began to see the technicolor visions and the Lord began to visit him. Since that time he has seen many, many times, five, ten visions and dreams a night. And when I first met him, I couldn't hardly comprehend that. I said, “Five or ten a night!” He said, “Oh, yes, all the time. Sometimes more, sometimes three or four” (Mike Bickle, Visions and Revelations, 1988) Mike Bickle explains the level of spiritual warfare Jones often experiences (Vineyard in Anaheim, CA in 1989): “Bob Jones has come to me several times after ministry. . . you may not believe this, but it's true, where. . . he's... went to bed at night and woke up the next morning with a big red streak across his face or a big cut, gash on his arm. He’d say, 'They got me last night'. He was at warfare in the realm of trances and visions and there was marks left on his body.” (Discernment newsletter vol.1. 4 1990) If you have marks on your body from sleeping and entering demonic warfare during that time you have some very serious spiritual problems.   Bob Jones claims that when he was nine years old living in Arkansas, an angel carrying a “great trumpet” came riding down from the sky on a white horse and stopped before him in the middle of a dirt road. Four years later, at age thirteen, he claims he was escorted to the throne room of God in heaven (like Cerullo and others). Mike Bickle asked him in a dialogue “You say that you saw the throne room?” “. . . what did it look like?” Jones- “It looked like gold and it looked like light and it was a light not like the light you see here which is artificial,” he responded, adding that the light, the glory of the Lord, frightened him. There was a “guide,” that he identified as “the angel of the Lord” who protected him from danger by standing between him and the throne by filtering the rays from God as if the angel was “like red sunglasses.” He said that he later understood that this was God's way of calling and commissioning him for their new import!ant earth-changing work that could go out from America's Midwest. It is this story that we will focus on at the outset of this article.   Jones relates his concern about the rise of abortion and homosexuality, and a conversation he had with a devil: “He told me the next time that I prophesied and told anybody about it, he would kill me. He said, 'If you knock that off we'll move back into all the signs and wonders you want to. You can heal people and you can prophesy day and night if you want to, if you leave these two subjects alone” (Mike Bickle, Bob Jones, Visions and Revelations, 1988, found in Vengeance is Ours by Al Dager). What? The devils will move Jones back into signs and wonders if he will avoid these subject matters! If this is accurate, (and there is not reason for him to say this unless it is), then the signs and wonders manifested by Jones and other prophets may not be from God at all. It is devils according to his own experience? I don’t think I’m changing his words by stating an observation- since he is still living and so many signs and wonders occur at the meetings, we are left to assume he took the deal that allowed the devils to move quite freely. This experience he had in August of 1975 Jones claims he had a near-death experience that was caused by a severe, painful nosebleed and found himself in heaven. Jones said: “... all of a sudden, the pain was gone. And I was in a dark place and I looked around and I could see that I was in a cave and I looked down there and then my thoughts were, “Oh, Lord, did I get my robe clean? Did I have enough time?” And there was a man that walked beside me and he said, “You can look now, Bob, and see” and I looked down and my robe was like crystal light” (Mike Bickle with Bob Jones, Visions and Revelations, transcript, series of five tapes from the fall of 1988.) Jones said, “He then saw Jesus in the form of a light who would grab and kiss” men and women of different ages and then make them disappear by absorbing them into his body! “It was like two big ole doors right here in his heart and it'd be just that, and they was gone.” “… He then saw people that Jesus didn't want who were on “an elevator and an escalator” to hell which was like “a cold storage place.” Jesus then commissioned him to touch the leaders in a new last days church so that he could absorb “a billion souls unto myself in the last day,” Jones said. (Mike Bickle with Bob Jones, Visions and Revelations, transcript, series of five tapes from the fall of 1988.) Bickle later related that during his trip to heaven Jesus commissioned him to be one of God's new generals to lead his end time army. Surely if Jones is one of the churches new general’s we will be led to defeat. What kind of Jesus is this that Jones presents to the church? Who kisses men and absorbs people More recently on this video <A href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MRJ3wA5neU">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MRJ3wA5neU</A> (approx. 4:00 into the video) we find Jones telling us the the same story - abortion would increase, homosexuality would increase and aids would be incurable and there would be an epidemic of drugs (not anything that someone who watches the culture could not predict). He then speaks of the day Aug. 8, 1975- the same story quoted above, but it is told a bit differently, minus some import!ant details he shared in 1988. “A demon appeared to me and said if you ever share that prophesy again I’ll kill you.” And so I told him I don’t belong to you anymore, I belong to the lord and I’m not afraid of you, you have no, uh, no uh, place to touch me, well he did that day and I went to the Lord in death and I stood in a line and as I looked to my left there were a lot of people on like a roller and like in a supermarket where they were rolling past and there were a huge number of people on that line. And I was on a line where there weren’t very many and we were walking and… when I went beyond this life I went into a cave and I looked out the cave and saw a man down there at the cave entrance and he was white light, but there was a whiter light than that white light holding hands out to me and my first thought was did I die clean, was my robe spotted cause I come out of such deep skin and I was concerned to see if I was clean and there was a man that stood alongside of me I never been able to see his face, he’s the paracletos, the Holy Spirit.. he spoke to me and said look now you can see-I looked and my robe was white.” The Holy Spirit is walking with Jones but not anyone else? Jones become confident of his standing before the lord – that he did all he was supposed to do, as this line approached Him he looked to left and saw men wrapped in dollar bills, men on the inside of a whiskey bottle. Men that looked like drugs because that was the god they served on earth “In hell you will serve the god that you served on earth.” He then explains how there was a large black woman in line with a 100 angels surrounding her and he asked the faceless man, calling him Lord what it was about, he explains how she did great things for her people with the help of the angels. “as she drew close to him he looked out and said did you learn to love and she said yes lord she threw her arms and he just put her arms around her and kissed her right on the lips and just pulled her in”… and the rest of this is even more out of context from the Bible that I refuse to write about such nonsense. This man is not right! Jones is claiming to have actually died and was at the judgment, his judgment. But he is back on earth! Well, you are free to believe what you want, but I refuse to believe this mans fantasy tales that are unbiblical to the MAX. Is this Jesus the same one in the Bible? Occult type Influences seem to common with Jones. There are many reports of phenomena similar to the kind Jones describe found in occultism: heat in one's hands when the spirit of healing comes over them; touching someone to feel the same pain in order to diagnose sickness; predicting future events concerning famous personalities. None of these are recorded in Scripture but they do manifest themselves among those in the New Age/ Occult. Jones explains to us that his healing power came when he was struck by lightning:“It was about 76. A bolt of lightning. I was inside I didn't have my wires grounded in the basement down there, and I grabbed ahold of the refrigerator, and lightning hit the wires outside, and a great blue flame came in. And a ball of fire danced all over that basement, and didn't hurt me. But from that time forth my hands worked funny. And a lot of people have had a lot of good laughs about it. But a lot of people have got healed by it, too. And miracles and everything else, and got anointed by it. Anytime God is going to start a fire, he starts it with lightning. And you can take a little of that fire and impart it wherever it is needed. And it will start a God's fire” ( Bob Jones, Visions and Revelations, 1988.) The color blue can also mean one is not getting enough oxygen. Certainly Jones has not received enough correct Bible teaching to recognize there are other influences going on his life. Maybe Jones can point to the examples in Scripture where God used lightning for a fire. It sounds more like the Greek myths to me. The only fire I see started like this is what Jesus described - when Satan fell as lightning. Supernatural experiences are an every day and night occurrence to Mr. Jones, and there is no end to how flamboyant the stories can be. Jones believes a spirit named Dominus, is Jesus. Bickle and Jones relate the story of an angel revealing that God would appear to Bickle and his brother in law and associate pastor Bob Scott in the form of another person named “Don” through a vision or dream to confirm‎! Jones’ ministry. Bickle said the vision eventually took place, Jones states “You guys are never going to learn the language of the Spirit, are you?... When they asked Jones why Don appeared and not Jesus, Jones answered, “Jesus appears in thousands of different faces to portray something.” Bickle: “He was trying to say, 'I'm your friend, I am your familiar friend and I'm going to show you all things so you can move in the power of the Spirit'” (Mike Bickle with Bob Jones, Visions and Revelations, transcript, series of five tapes from the fall of 1988) These type of descriptions and non- conformity to the Bibles Jesus certainly raises the suspicion of a another Jesus, or spirit at work. If he is not the same then how can we know we are encountering the authentic one? This is like people having visions of Jesus and everyone describes something different, not to worry, they are all Him. We find out who Bob Jones' White Talking Horse is and whom the angel of the Lord is. According to Bob Jones when he was 13- “The first time I ever seen the white horse was when an angel called Gabriel was riding. I saw him a couple of times in the '70's, I didn't understand what it meant, I would just see the white horse...(Mike Bickle interjects) “The white horse always speaks in Bob's visions...In his vision it speaks of the corporate purpose that God is bringing to pass...” (ibid. Visions and Revelations.) I say naaaay to this story, we have yet to see a talking horse in Scripture but we have see a donkey speak rebuke to its rider, Balaam who was the prophet for hire. Whatever is communicating to Jones has some hair raising tails to tell. And the Lord spoke and said, “Bob, the white horse is coming and that will be the Christian group that I'm going to use. Incorruptible flesh will they have, and the lightning in their hands will be the hiding place of their power” (Bob Jones, tape, Visions and Revelations, 1988). Jones statements are not only unbiblical but cryptic except to the initiated. Jones has been found to need a translator for his speaking even though it is in English because of his incoherence in communication (one translator for Jones is Paul Keith Davis of White Dove ministry). I watched one interview on TV where the “translator” was trying to salvage what appeared to be the ramblings of a man that was not coherent in his speech and had to reinterpret nearly everything said. Many who are into the visions of Jones also have seen the white horse who represents a sovereign move of the Spirit of truth and power. This is hardly the case as they use Revelation 19:10-11 as a proof text.  This white horse is to bring to pass the former moves of God that took place overtime. There visions can mean anything they want as they use allegorical interpretations for their visions, as comets and floods all have an accompanying spiritual meaning that makes sense only to the initiate. The MIRACLES of Joel’s Army Bob Jones, speaks about the Army that Paul Cain taught, “Joel’s Army”: “I went and I seen the Lord, and it was like He was looking at little yellow things—little round, yellow things like a spirit of God itself. [!] And there were billions of them. And it was like Him and. all the angels were looking through these and every once in awhile they'd say, “Hey, here's an end-time one; get it down here on the end. Here's another good one.” I said, “What are you doing?” He said, “Oh, we're collecting those who are foreknown and predestinated for the end-times, for you see, they'll be the best of all the seed that's ever been. And we're looking through the seeds and this'll be your grandkids. This will be the end generation that is foreknown and predestinated to inherit all things. And these will be like grandchildren to you—even those that you minister to won't be this generation; their children will be. “You are to write into their minds, as they write into the children's minds. You're to bring them to a place to allow My Spirit to rule in their life where they can begin to set the Church on the proper foundations, as they will. They'll birth the Church, but their children will attain levels of the Holy Spirit that they will not. Although their parents will reign over them and be the leaders of the last-day church, their children will possess the Spirit without measure. For they are the best of all the generations that have ever been upon the face of the earth. And the best of all generations are those elected seeds that will glorify Christ in the last days. “That's the purpose so that Jesus in the last days has the seeds that will glorify Him above any generation that has ever been upon the face of the earth. They will move into things of the supernatural that no one has ever moved in before. Every miracle, sign and wonder that has ever been in the Bible, they'll move in it consistently. They'll move in the power that Christ did. Every sign and wonder that's ever been will be many times in the last days. They themselves; will be that generation that's raised up to put death itself underneath their feet and to glorify Christ in every way. “And the Church that is raising up in the government will be the head and the covering for them. So that that glorious Church might be revealed in the last days because the Lord Jesus is worthy to be lifted up by a Church that has reached the full maturity of the God-man!” (Bob Jones, tape, Visions and Revelations, 1988.) This is right out of the Latter Rain/manifest sons of God manual. Now we have a church out of a church with new leadership to finally have us on the right foundation. So the church has not been built on it and those who rule in it will have defeated death and become God-men. Wow that something the Bible teaches us, except I can’t seem to find the verse, but it must be there because of Jones revelation from God. Let me highlight the main problems- “They will move into things of the supernatural that no one has ever moved in before. Every miracle, sign and wonder that has ever been in the Bible – they’ll move in it consistently. Every sign and wonder that's ever been will be many times in the last days. They themselves will … put death itself underneath their feet... a Church that has reached the full maturity of the god-man! GODMEN, plural! There is only one God man, the God who became man. This is no small error, it should be considered a heresy that changes the nature of God and man. This where the influence on the new revival is seen with Bentley and others- it is a Latter Rain delusion that targets the youth, if we allow it. This full maturity is what is called the Manifested Sons of God doctrine that came from the Latter Rain Heresy.  That certain overcomers become immortal on the earth before Christ even returns. The Bible teaches it the resurrection that makes us immortal. This is all Latter Rain flattery to pump up the churches self esteem which is better identified as dominionism. There is only one seed we need to be concerned about- it is the word of God which we are actually reborn with (1 Pt.1:23) not a physical seed of man. The church was birthed by the Holy Spirit , yet Jones is speaking of a new birth to a new breed of youth that will have power only despots covet for. Jones even states ... There is a ministry after the five-fold called the ministry of perfection - the Melchisedek Priesthood . . . your children will be moving into the ministries of Perfection . . . coming into that Divine Nature of Jesus Christ” [Bob Jones, transcribed from 1988 tape Interview Bob Jones with Mike Bickle). Immortalization for a Melchizedek Priesthood? The church is never going to be a Melchizedek Priesthood because this is not God’s intention for the church- Jesus ALONE is the God man, this why the Bible teaches he is the “only begotten Son of God.” The Melchisedek Priesthood has only one priest- that is Jesus Christ and Him alone, for it is an eternal priesthood with Him as its priest forever. The 5 fold ministry is found in Eph.4:11 and there is no priesthood mentioned, it is about equipping the church. It is apparent that what Jones’ teaches is inserting his own ideas into passages to promote his own agenda- Latter Rain. The Way the NEW Prophets prophesy It is Jones who tells us that the prophetic movement was started by an angel named Emma who is androgynous and appeared as female. This angel is supposedly at work with freshfires revival meetings. For the first time in history we have a woman angel working inside the church bringing signs to the  A prophecy of Jones that the Broncos won the Super Bowl was a sign, because their quarterback was named Elway, “For my purpose is to get you to listen that I might show you El's Way ... for you see in every thunderstorm in every lightening strike, in every earthquake, in every volcano, I [God] have my way, for I AM ELWAY” (March 8, 1998 Crossroads Hamilton, Ontario). Like reading words in alphabet soup this prophet can make a spiritual rhyme on a dime. But he just can’t seem to get the accuracy level past first grade prognostics. “Bob Jones was told that the general level of prophetic revelation in the church was about 65% accurate at this time. Some are only about 10% accurate, a very few of the most mature prophets are approaching 85% to 95% accuracy. Prophecy is increasing in purity, but there is a still a long way to go for those who walk in this ministry. This is actually grace for the church now, because 100% accuracy in this ministry would bring a level of accountability to the church which she is too immature to bear at this time. It would result in too many Annaniases and Sapphiras” (The Prophetic Ministry” Rick Joyner. Morningstar Prophetic Newsletter. Vol. 3, No. 2, p. 2). So we are too immature to have prophets be right all the time? Does this make sense or is it more correct that these prophets are not 100% right because they are not speaking for God who is ALWAYS 100% right. God was always right with his prophets in the Old Testament and New Testament, but in their ministry, they are not always right, they are not even half right; they are not as accurate as a skilled psychic. Mike Bickle is not anymore reassuring: “Now, obviously, probably about 80% of what's in the Body of Christ that's called prophecy is fleshiness. And so we're in a day when we're in such an immature stage of this. So much of what is called prophecy is not truly prophecy. So we realize that; so what's our reaction to that? We don't throw out the baby with the bath water. We say, "Lord, we don't throw out prophecy. We ask You to mature it." We don't take it as serious in the early days as we will in the days to come” (Media Spotlight- THE RESTORATION OF APOSTLES AND PROPHETS AND THE KANSAS CITY‑ VINEYARD CONNECTION by Albert James Dager) So according to their end time prophetic army they have a base 10-20% accuracy level. Not to be concerned, the more practice they have inside the church the better they will get at it. Isa 9:15: “The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.” Thus, the tales these prophets speak of from their own imagination are called tails by God. The Church has accepted the teaching of prophets that are not speaking the truth. They are listening to tails. Jesus said to those who exercise power as a group of prophets in the last days are in grave jeopardy “Many will say to me in that day; Lord; Lord HAVE WE NOT PROPHESIED IN THY NAME? And in thy name cast out devils and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you; depart from me” (Matthew 7:22.23) Many will say this… not a few. When you hear of a prophets school and prophet meetings, or teaching  others how to prophesy or giving personal prophecy that is not accurate all the time, think of this Scripture and what it has to say about this. Bob Jones and Mike Bickle are two peas in a pod when it comes to non- biblical prophetic experiences and revelation. Jones supposedly could tell Bickle what dreams he was going to have, as well as come to him in his dreams. Because Jones was hit by lightening he developed “Golden Senses,” an ability to feel in his hands and arms sensations that would signal various spiritual realities. Jones claims a gift from God that demonstrates when the people's prayers are being heard by the Father especially in the area of healing:“I was over there with Jim awhile ago. My hands turned blue, and then they turned purple. And when that happens that means you've got some incense that's gone up. You've got some intercession that's gone up that Papa's saying yes to. There's some prayers that's gone on here that the answer is yes.... When you've got this kind of anointing some of you are already entering that secret place of the Most High. You're already bowing down to that altar of incense. Your tears are falling on those coals and they're coming up before Papa. Papa's saying, “Come with more. Believe for more.” Because when my hands turn purple it means you're getting through to the Royalty; you're getting through to the top. It's yea and amen, and that's what He's calling you into: that holy place of divine health. The Holy of Holies which your children are called to enter in can crash that threshold. It's called the place of divine health.... That's what the children are entering into: they'll have the Spirit without measure, they'll walk through walls; they'll be translated—everything that was ever in the Scripture” ( Bob Jones, Visions and Revelations, 1989, audio tape) Contrary to Jones’ spiritual elitism all Christians can come boldly before the throne and their prayers are ALWAYS heard and answered if they are ask according to God’s will. Christians do not bow before anything but God What make this a concern is that Alice Bailey, a spokesperson for the New Age Movement, described violet (or purple) light as a catalyst for bringing about healing: [There are] four groups of angels that are bands of servers who are pledged to the service of the Christ [the New Age Christ, not Jesus], and their work is to contact man and to teach them along certain lines.... They will give instruction in the effect of colour in the healing of disease and particularly the efficiency of violet light in lessening human ills and in curing those physical plane sicknesses which originate in the etheric body. A violet flame is able to extinguish illnesses according to New age teaching. “The more you understand the reality and the presence, the more you can accept the presence of these healing violet flame angels, the closer, they will come and the greater their strength and power of that sacred fire wrapped around you” (I Am healing decrees, Saint Germaine press 1976 p.6) Of course both angels and fire have an import!ant part in the “revivalism” taking place in the church today. Before God’s Spirit is actually poured out in Israel and then to the world there is another spirit that will increase to bring in the false Christ, that will be empower people to do great signs and wonders by neglecting doctrine. “You’re going to see revelations of our Papa like you’ve never seen before. For men like me the Spirit of Elijah has fallen upon. And the Spirit of Elijah falls upon prophets. That’s all that it means there. {Mal 4:5,6} And one of our prayers is to bring the Spirit of Elijah so we can reveal to you your Papa. And you the children of God will come into that Papa/ son relationship. Now 2000 years ago the Savior was revealed. 100 years ago the Holy Spirit was revealed. {1895} We are getting ready for the last revelation. You find out Who your Daddy is, you find out who you are. You find out what your blood is and what you can do.” Bob Jones 2/95 Vancouver, Canada Vineyard (http://thequickenedwordcommunity.com/cgi-bin/members/cforums.cgi?forumid= 112372859729293&postid=9990224019736 &action=messages&threadid=9990224019736) We already know what this means by Jones’ teachings- that the church will produce little God/men, who are all Melchizedik priests, sounds like the Latter Rain plan. In fact Jones has seen the next 50 years unfold, and Jesus did not come back, instead we get to establish the kingdom on earth. At the Lakeland service with Todd Bentley, Bob Jones explains the churches future:  “What is the Lord doing?  I brought a 100 year prophesy for a long time, let’s look at it. The 1950’s reveal the power of God.  William Branham, Oral Roberts, AA Allen.  The 1960’s reveal the Spirit of God.  The Holy Spirit invaded the denominations.  The 1970’s reveal the great teachers of God and they began to raise up. The 1980’s reveal the prophets of God. The 1990’s reveal the government of God. The 2000 would reveal the glory of God.  You haven’t seen anything.  Wait till you see the next two years! The 2010 would reveal the faith of God.  It’s not have the faith “in” God, it is to have the faith “of” God.  And it’s going to be those that have that earring in and hear what God is saying.  And what you’ll do, you’ll proclaim it.  And you’ll bring it into being.” “The 2020’s reveal the rest of God.  To where you can rest from your labors and God will work His work through you in your rest and in your peace. The 2030’s will reveal the family of God. 2040’s will reveal the kingdom of God. 2050’s will reveal the sons and daughters of God. I only saw til 2060 and the church was still here and it wasn’t defeated by any means.  It had really grown and looked a lot like Christ.  So if you’ve got short range plans, make long range plans” (Bob Jones with Todd Bentley at the Lakeland Florida revival, 5/13/08 evening service, on God TV. Transcribed by Sandy Warner, <A style="TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="http://www.thequickenedword.com/">www.thequickenedword.com</A>)Looks like we have our future all mapped out and Jesus has told Jones he is not coming for the church in the next 50 years. Consider what some of the statements mean in relation to the Latter Rain teaching of Jones and associates and to the Bible. “The Remnant Seed”, a prophecy by Bob Jones at Hamilton, Ontario, March 1998: “ .And now my government is in place, and in a time of great stress I shall bring forth my next step, for Toronto was a step, Brownsville was another step; My next step will be my glory, and signs like you have never seen before...”. The trail of the Latter Rain continues to unfold, even though it was rejected in the late 40’s, its acceptance today is by those who are unfamiliar with its past. Yesterday it was Toronto, today we have the freshfire revival in Lakeland, tomorrow it will be somewhere else. How can any of this be attributed to God when Jones is so far removed from understanding the word of God, preaching the word of God and replaces it with new words from his mystical experiences that are not even related to Biblical concepts. I would say that if this is the direction of the church, listening to men like him we   *I want to thank Al Dager whose book I read 18 years ago. It gave me understanding of what has been unfolding over the years. Dager was a pioneer on this subject as he gave a warning of the false prophets that would change the church; the very things we are seeing today.  Anyone interested in this subject matter should read “Vengeance is Ours” Quotes from this article are also referenced from Bob Hunter and Discernment ministries.  <TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0> <TBODY> <TR> <TD><XFORM name="myForm" method="post" action="_vti_bin/shtml.dll/Latrain52.htm" webbot-action="--WEBBOT-SELF--" [안내]태그제한으로등록되지않습니다-xx[안내]태그제한으로등록되지않습니다-xx[안내]태그제한으로등록되지않습니다-xxonsubmit=""> © 2007 No portion of this site is to be copied or used unless kept in its original format- the way it appears. Articles can be reproduced in portions for ones personal use. Any other use is to have the permission of  <BIG>Let Us Reason</BIG> Ministries first. Thank You. We always appreciate hearing  from those of you that have benefited by the articles on our website. We love hearing the testimonies and praise reports. We are here to help those who have questions on Bible doctrine, new teachings and movements.  Unfortunately we cannot answer every email. Our time is valuable just as yours is, please keep in mind, we only have time to answer sincere inquiries from those who need help. For those who have another point of view, we will answer emails that want to engage in authentic dialogue, not in arguments. We will use discretion in answering any letters. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>       [-2-]One of the original Kansas City Prophets, Bob Jones (not affiliated with Bob Jones University) claims his first supernatural experience occurred at the age of nine when an angel appeared to him and announced that the Lord had placed a call on his life. According to Jones, this “call” was reaffirmed at the age of 13 and again at 15 although there is no mention of any born again experience during any of this time. At the age of 39, Jones, by his own admission had a mental breakdown. He sought the assistance of a psychiatrist who prescribed psychiatric drugs and ultimately admitted him into a V. A. hospital. During his hospital stay, Jones claims he came under the care of a doctor who was a Christian and who took him off the drugs.   On his website, Jones relates what happen during his hospital stay: “Early in the morning on his ninth day in the hospital, the devil began to speak. “Everyone has mistreated you all your life, no wonder you are like you are. You deserve to get even with them. There is a list of 12 people that are responsible for your being here. Why don’t you run away tonight and go kill them, then come back? They’ve got you in the crazy ward anyway and you’re going to be here the rest of your life. They won’t do anything to you.” Bob immediately cried out to the Lord of help. He had enough background in the Baptist church during his boyhood years to know to cry out to Jesus for help. “A voice spoke to me and said, ‘I can’t help you, Bob, until you forgive them,” Bob said. Bob got on his knees and started to forgive people. He started with the 12 the devil had mentioned. Then he began with others, going as far back as he could remember. Bob repented of his sin and cried to Jesus for forgiveness.   Some time after this, Jones says he began to have dreams and visions; Bob began to have visions and words spoken to him by the Lord. They came in a variety of ways: through open visions, trances, audible voices, dreams, angelic appearances and demonic confrontations. These words and visions often foretold future events in both church and national affairs. These experiences never contradicted the word of God. So, Jones visions never contradicted the word of God? Let’s decide for ourselves. In a vision on August 8 1975, Jones claims to have had an encounter with an evil spirit who caused him to experience a ruptured artery culminating in his physical death. As he left his body he was escorted through a tunnel of light by an angelic being. He saw three other people ahead of him moving toward the light. As he approached, he realized the light was Jesus. The first person ahead of him was an eleven year old girl who had died from some terminal disease. As she stood at the gates of heaven Jesus asked her “Did you learn to love?” The girl answered yes and she was allowed to enter heaven. Next was a woman who Jones was told had been an evangelist on earth. Jesus reportedly asked her the same question and upon her positive answer she too was allowed to enter heaven. Next was a 93 year old woman who appeared to have been crippled with arthritis. Jones somehow knew that because of her life of hardship, she had allowed a root of bitterness to enter in and defile her. When the Lord asked her the magic question – “did you learn to love” the woman said that she loved Him but that was all. She had not learned to love others. She entered but with no fruit to present to Him. So according to Jones, our entrance to heaven is predicated on our correct answer to the question “did you learn to love”. Now remember Jones claimed that his visions never contradicted the word of God. If he can cite chapter and verse for this revelation, I’d love to see it. In fairness I should say that Jones reported seeing a great many people descending straight into hell so perhaps Jesus only asks the question to those who already know the answer. But lets’ look a little closer at the last example he gave. Can we really enter heaven with bitterness on our hearts and no fruit. 1John 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? Uh Oh! It seems the 93 year old woman was on pretty shaky ground there doesn’t it. According to the scripture, this woman was a liar and we know that all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire (Rev 21:8) Can we truly enter heaven without bearing any fruit? John 15:1-2 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: John 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. Well, it seems Jones missed it with this one doesn’t it. As with all the false prophets, this would prove to be only one of many prophetic “mistakes”. Another more recent example was Jones’s support of Kim Clements March 11 prophecy in which Clement claimed that Osama Bin Laden would be captured. Clement later revised his prophecy, changed the date and ultimately tried to explain away his obvious failure. According to Steve Shultz, publisher of the Elijah list, Bob Jones told him; “He told me (paraphrased), “I don’t think Kim Clement knew exactly what he was prophesying, but the moment I was asked about it, I knew what it meant. 27 years ago to the day, March 11, 1977, God told me the Glory left the Church. I’ve even said this publicly. And on March 11, 2004, the Glory began to return to the Church.” I’d have to agree with the first part. Clement didn’t know what he was talking about! As for the rest of Jones’s statement, what a load of manure. Clements prophecy didn’t have anything to do with the “glory” leaving or returning to the church. Are Christians really this gullible? Apparently Jones and Shultz think we are. Shultz added; “Bob told me on that same phone call that he felt I should support Kim fully on this prophecy of March 11. In prophetic ministry, as many are learning, many of these dates or time periods are not provable by an objective standard. We would love it if all prophecies were”. Yes Steve it would be nice if there were an objective standard. But wait! There is an objective standard. Maybe you’ve heard of it. It’s called Gods word. Deut 18:22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.   Keeping in mind this track record of failure I offer a more recent Bob Jones prophecy that applies to the upcoming election. According to another so called prophet, Lou Engle, Jones told him in a recent meeting that a vision he had in 1999 foretold the election of George W. Bush to the presidency. Engle adds; In this vision, the Lord showed Bob if George W. Bush got elected to a second term, he would end abortion!! Bob also confirmed to me what we have concluded from the facts: given the age of the judges on the Supreme Court, three new justices would be appointed during the next presidential term, setting the course of the Courts for decades to come! The Lord also showed Bob that in his second term, George Bush would open the door to a godly successor who would be in office for two terms and would usher in full-blown, historic revival! America would thus be blessed by sixteen years of mercy and grace. Should this not occur, our nation will surely face the judgments of God in increasing measure for our sins. Bob made the severity of this word very, very clear to me. So apparently it’s all up to us. We can end abortion, reorder the Supreme Court and usher in an era of peace, safety and revival. If only we elect the right man to office. God is waiting on us. Once again, my bible says something a little different Jer 17:5 Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD. Cursed is the man who trusts in man…even when that man’s name is George W. Bush. Please don’t misunderstand. This is not an endorsement of any political candidate. I’m simply saying that the church has placed too much trust in men, too much trust in the political process. Led by false prophets like Bob Jones, we have great confidence in the flesh and no confidence at all in God. I say let God be true and every man a liar. Dan 4:17 This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.