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<p> 무연이라 함은 한마디로 연기가 없이 잘타는 상태를 말하는 거지요.</p><p><br></p><p>처음부터 굵은 나무 넣고 불피우면 당연히 연기납니다.</p><p><br></p><p>이미 우리민족은 기원전 300년 경부터 난방을 구들로 했다합니다.</p><p><br></p><p>세계 어느 민족도 구들난방의 우수성보다 나은 난방방식은 없습니다.</p><p>직접난방의 경우, 특히 난로나 벽난로의 경우 가둬진 실내에서 직접가열식이 대부분입니다.</p><p>가두어진 공간, 즉 우리의 주거공간에서 우리가 호흡하는 공기중 얼마는 이 난로나 벽난로가 대신 먹죠.</p><p><br></p><p>웰빙을 부르짖는 요즈음. 만약 당신의 실내에 불을 피운다면 당연히 당신이 호흡하는 공기의 얼마만큼은 난로나 벽난로에 빼앗긴다는 사실입니다.</p><p>당연히 환기의 필요성은 자명합니다.</p><p>그러나 우리 구들은 아궁이에서 불을 지펴 방구들을 덥히고 그 열이 방안을 덥혀 간접난방의 형태이며 이때 황토의 원적외선이 인체에 치유의 효과를 준다는 것이 과학적으로 밝혀진 것이 허구일까요?</p><p><br></p><p> 처음 불은 불쏘시개로 중불은 좀 단면적이 작은 나무로 본불은 굵은나무로 불피우기 방법을 이미 수천년 우리 할머니들이 밥지으며 쓰시던 불다루는 법입니다.</p><p>게다가 제가 어리던 어린시절, 아궁이에 넣을 나무가 귀했을 때 우리 어머니, 할머니들은 짚푸라기,볏집단을 태워 밥을 지을 정도로 불때기 챔피언이셨습니다.</p><p> 처음 밑불이 어느 정도 커지면 조금 볏짚을 더 넣고 넣고를 반복하며 그 호르락타는 볏짚으로 밥을 지으셨습니다.</p><p><br></p><p>지금 아마 이렇게 살라면 이혼소동 일어날겁니다.</p><p><br></p><p>나무는 나무가 탄다고 하지만 이는 과학적으로 맞는 말이 아니죠.</p><p><br></p><p>나무가 화실에서 열을받으며 내는 개스가 연기고 그걸 태워야 제대로된 연소임에도 그동안 그 무연이란걸 실현 못하다보니 나무가 타면 당연히 연기가 많았던 것 아닙니까?</p><p><br></p><p>하지만 아무리 현대기술로 탄생한 벽난로든 무연난로든 이 연기를 다 태우지 못하고 나무란소재, 즉 연료지속성의 한계인 연소재를 화실에 잔뜩 채워넣어 놓고 송풍기까지 쓰며 연소를 하다보니 당연히 연기발생은 자명했지요.</p><p><br></p><p>자!. 이 문제를 다투실 분은 시간내서 발품파세요. 아님 제게 오라하세요.</p><p>전 상업적으로 물든 조직의 행사에는 가지 않습니다.</p><p>순수한 조직이라면 어디든 누구처럼 얼마씩 추렴해서 행사비 하지않고 순순한 내 노력으로 번돈 써가며 갑니다.</p><p>한사람이 궁금해도 갑니다...</p><p><br></p><p>제차,,, 기름값 만만치 않으나 갑니다.</p><p> 나무를 태우는데 연기가 없을 수 있냐?</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/5IwBmPt-Ulc" target="_blank"><u>https://youtu.be/5IwBmPt-Ulc</u></a></p><p><iframe width="640" height="360" id="v551ahzh20gBgd1hla00UUd" src="https://kakaotv.daum.net/embed/player/cliplink/v551ahzh20gBgd1hla00UUd@my?service=daum_cafe" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" allowfullscreen></iframe></p><p>고 생각하시는 분들에게 친절하게 기꺼이 무연실현을 보여드리죠.</p><p><br></p><p>제가 말하는 무연상태는 연기가 보이지않고 아지랭이 상태를 말합니다.</p><p>아래 동영상은 제가 처음 만든 무식하게 생긴 난로의 동영상이고 유투브에 올렸던 것입니다.</p><p>이때 2~5분간의 연기량은 담뱃불 두가치 정도에서 나는 연기였습니다.</p><p>그 아래 동영상은 우리 아궁이의 비밀이 들어있는 단순한 설계의 최근 동영상입니다.</p><p>비교해보세요...</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/5IwBmPt-Ulc" target="_blank">https://youtu.be/5IwBmPt-Ulc</a></p><p> </p><!-- --> <!-- end clix_content --> </td></tr></tbody></table><table class="clearTable"><tbody><tr><td> </td></tr></tbody></table></div></div></div><p><!-- end bbs_contents --> </p><div></div><p><!-- 새로운 첨부파일 영역 --> </p><div class="attachFile" id="AttachFileCCL"></div><div class="cclArea"><a xxonmouseover="view_ccl(1);" xxonmouseout="view_ccl(2);" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/kr/" target="_new"><img width="14" height="14" class="icon_ccl01" alt="저작자 표시" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/img_blank2.gif"><img width="14" height="14" class="icon_ccl02" alt="컨텐츠변경" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/img_blank2.gif"><img width="14" height="14" class="icon_ccl03" alt="비영리" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/img_blank2.gif"></a> <div class="cclArea_tooltip" id="cclArea_tooltip" style="display: none;"><img width="124" height="80" id="cclImg" alt="" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/layer_ccl01.gif"></div></div><p><!-- end CCL area --> <!-- 모바일 작성글인 경우 카페 앱 소개 링크 --> </p><div class="comment_scrap" id="comment_wrap"><p class="comment_view fl"><span class="comment_cnt" id="comment_cnt"><a class="comment_on txt_point" id="member_cmt" xxonclick="Reply.activeCommentView('343'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong><u><font color="#f8571e">댓글 <span id="cmtCnt">29</span></font></u></strong></a> </span> </p><div class="fr" id="shareMenu"><a class="bbs_recommend fl line_sub" xxonclick="recommendBBS('25R5', 'Q703', '343', '3', true, true, 'refarm', '%B9%AB%BF%AC%B3%AD%B7%CE%B6%F3%C7%D4%C0%BA%3F+%B3%AA%B9%AB%B0%A1+%C5%B8%B4%C2%B5%A5+%BF%AC%B1%E2+%BE%F8%C0%BB%B8%AE+%BE%F8%B4%D9%B4%C2+%BA%D0%B5%E9%BF%A1%B0%D4+%C0%CC+%B1%DB%C0%BB+%BA%B8%B3%C0%B4%CF%B4%D9.'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><img width="11" height="13" alt="추천하기" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img4/img/ico_recommend.gif"> <span class="txt_point" id="recommendCnt"><strong><font color="#f8571e">3</font></strong></span> </a>
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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">삭제</a> </div><div class="cl"> </div></div><div class="recomment_pos recomment_first" id="_cmt-343-6"><div class="id_admin " id="_cmt_head-343-6"><span class="re_icon"><span>┗</span> <img width="13" height="13" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/g_level_25.gif"> <a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'SDqvLAVKg290', '\uD0A4\uBC14'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>키바</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-6"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2">15.11.06. 00:24 </font></span> </div><div class="recomment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-6" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-6">ㅎㅎㅎ<br>자가당착...<br>어차피 난로 만들어 파시는분 아니신가요?<br>저는, 난로 만들어 파는사람 아닙니다.<br>구차한 변명과 자기합리화가 보입니다.<br>자기난로가 최고라고 억지부리는분들 수없이 봤습니다.<br>그야말로 자가당착이지요.....<br>난로의 접근은 겸손부터 입니다. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-6"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','6',false, '3', '키바'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-5"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.06. 00:22 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-5" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-5">그 50센티가 중요한 것이 아니고 과연 얼마나 연기없이 최고의 방사열을 낼수 있는가가 우리가 연구해야할 과제이지요...<br>일단은 저는 고가의 난로형태는 지향합니다.<br>왜냐면 이 추운 계절 추위와 맞선 이들이 더 많고 돈많은 자들이 가진 멋진 난로나 벽난로보다 고가구입 후 4~5년 쓰고 버리는 연기펄펄나는 보일러구제가 제 보람이니까요...<br>전 부잣집에는 얼마를 줘도 만들어 주지 않습니다.<br>그들은 그보다 편한 난방 이용할 수 있으니까요...알고 달려드세요.. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-5"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','5',false, '0', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-12"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.06. 00:44 </font></span> </div><div class="recomment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-12" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-12"><a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'SDqvLAVKg290', '\uD0A4\uBC14'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong><span class="mention_nicknames text_counter txt_point b"><font color="#f8571e">키바</font></span> </strong></a> 키바님. 전 이런 논쟁 쟁이들이 하면합니다..실제 쟁이들은 돈하곤 좀 멀거든요..제 고민은 뭐라도 만들어서 추위걱정 덜 그런 세상오길 고대합니다..그것도 값싸게요..제가 편협한 글 드렸다면 이해하세요..저가 싸울 상대는 기득권의 아우성으로 충분합니다.. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-12"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','12',false, '5', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong><span class="mention_nicknames text_counter txt_point b"><font color="#f8571e">soner</font></span> </strong></a> 자칫, 심한 논쟁으로 갈뻔 했습니다. <br>저역시 쟁이로 60을 바라보는 나이까지 왔습니다,<br>우연히 난로라는 어려운 놈을 상대로 버거운 싸움을 아직 하고 있지만,<br>기존의 방식들은 나름 해볼만큼 해봤다 생각해 봅니다.<br>이미 5년여를 틈만나면 난로를 만들어 왔습니다.<br>마당이 이미 고물상이되버린지 오래지만,<br>아직도 마음에 드는 물건을 만들어 보지 못한거 같습니다.<br>취미라고 하기엔 미친짓에 가깝지만,<br>앞으로도 쉽게 놓지 못할거 같습니다.<br>제가 상처가될 말들을 했다면,<br>쟁이끼리의 기싸움 정도로 너그럽게 이해해 주시길 바랍니다.<br>앞으로도 좋은일 계속하시길 바라구요,<br>좋은 정보들 교환 할수 있으면 좋겠습니다. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-13"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','13',false, '5', '키바'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-14"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.06. 01:03 </font></span> </div><div class="recomment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-14" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-14"><a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'SDqvLAVKg290', '\uD0A4\uBC14'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong><span class="mention_nicknames text_counter txt_point b"><font color="#f8571e">키바</font></span> </strong></a> 어디신가요? 저의 제작방법과 님의 생각을 접목해서 더 좋은 방법이 나온다면 이 논쟁 보람있을겁니다. 저두 닭띠입니다.낼모래가 60이죠.<br>저 최석철이구요..010=4570=6738입니다. 지금 보시면 전화주세요... </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-14"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','14',false, '5', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-8"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.06. 00:29 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-8" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-8">난로 만들어 판다..맞죠. 그러나 전 누구처럼 100단위로는 용기없어 못팝니다. 전 재료비,가공비, 인건비 수준이구요,,조금 얺는다면 그건 이웃에게 가는 비용이죠..직접 만들어 쓸 분에게는 그냥 도면그려드립니다 못만드시는 분들께는 만들어 드립니다..그게 장사로 보이시면 장사죠...장사가 일년지난 난로 그냥 최신제작품으로 바꿔주나요? </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-8"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','8',false, '0', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">삭제</a> </div><div class="cl"> </div></div><div class="dotline line_sub" id="_cmt_line-343-11"> </div><div class="comment_pos" id="_cmt-343-11"><div class="id_admin " id="_cmt_head-343-11"><span><img width="13" height="13" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/g_level_25.gif"> <a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'kGVlFn3zXNE0', 'soner'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-11"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.06. 00:40 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-11" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-11">그리고 4.5T이상 철판으로 ...미안하지만 최근동영상 난로재료는 6T이구요..녹슬이지만않으면 대물림할겁니다.<br>불 닿는 곳은 스테인레스 파이프로 처리해서 녹아내리진않을겁니다.<br>그것도 내년에 내 맘에 안들면 바꿔줄겁니다... 뭘 만들면 그래도 2~30년은 써야죠.. 전 로켓스토브 별루라 생각하구요...뭐 다른 난로방식도 그렇던데요...제가 최고라는 얘기는 하지 않습니다. 오늘 제 머리속 생각이 최고라는 거지요..내일 어찌 변할 지는 나도 모릅니다...그런 자신감있어야 최고를 만드는것 아닐까요? </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-11"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','11',false, '0', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">삭제</a> </div><div class="cl"> </div></div><div class="dotline line_sub" id="_cmt_line-343-16"> </div><div class="comment_pos" id="_cmt-343-16"><div class="id_admin " id="_cmt_head-343-16"><span><img width="13" height="13" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/g_level_25.gif"> <a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'S2qMzy28IO50', '\uC5D0\uB2C8\uACE8'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>에니골</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-16"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2">15.11.06. 06:13 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-16" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-16">글쌔요. 내가 만들어 파는 물건은 절대 아니다? 직접 써보지 않아서 왈가왈부 할수는 없지만 장사하는분들 말을 100% 신뢰하기란 쉽지않죠. 처음 불 지필때부터 엄청큰 나무 집어넣고 태울 바보가 있을까요? 무조건 사용하는 사람의 과실로만 몰아가는건 난로의 하자보다 더큰 자기 모순이 아닌가 생각합니다. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-16"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','16',false, '0', '에니골'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-17"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.06. 14:38 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-17" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-17">그런 말이 아니죠..<br>시작불과 중불 제대로 된 불의 개념이 불피우기의 기본인데. 고가의 벽난로나 기존 보일러의 경우경우 큰화구에 지름 30센티정도이상이나 그이하의 원목을 가득넣고 오래 불피우는 고집에서 이제 좀깨우쳐 연기없는 제품만들기를 소망해서입니다.<br>만들어서 팔면 장사치라는 것도 좀 달리 해석해보죠.<br>누가 제게 협동조합을 권하면서 그럽디다. 제가 말하는 재료비, 가공비, 인건비+봉사료(?)는 원가가 아니라구요. 거기다 유통,a/s비용까지라구요..그래서 비싸지는 거라데요.<br>아직 저는 그런개념에 익숙치않은 장사꾼인가봅니다. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-17"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','17',false, '0', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>나무사랑산사랑</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-18"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2">15.11.06. 07:01 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-18" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-18">난로에 대한 논의논쟁 배우며 잘 보았습니다.<br>난로에 열정을 가지고 끝없이 개선해가시는 모습이 아름답고 보기좋습니다.<br>앞으로도 좋은 정보 기대합니다.<br>고맙습니다. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-18"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','18',false, '0', '나무사랑산사랑'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">답글</a> <span class="bar2 cmt_button_reply"><font color="#e9e9e9">|</font></span> <a class="p11" xxonclick="if(confirm‎('[나무사랑산사랑]님의 댓글을 Daum 클린센터에 신고하시겠습니까?')){window.open('http://spam119.daum.net/form?service_code=1&platformCode=CAFE&contentType=COMMENT&siteId=25R5&bbsId=Q703&articleId=343&commentId=18&viewUrl='+encodeURIComponent('http://cafe.daum.net/_service/bbs_read?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&datanum=343&cmtdataid=18'), 'spam_popup', 'width=450, height=300, resizable=yes, scrollbars=no').focus();return false;}else{return false;}" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">신고</a> </div><div class="cl"> </div></div><div class="dotline line_sub" id="_cmt_line-343-20"> </div><div class="comment_pos" id="_cmt-343-20"><div class="id_admin " id="_cmt_head-343-20"><span><img width="13" height="13" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/g_level_25.gif"> <a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'kGVlFn3zXNE0', 'soner'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-20"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.06. 17:28 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-20" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-20">어제밤 새벽1시경 한참을 위 키바님과 통화가 있었습니다. 존경합니다. 어찌되었든 난로만들기 선배님께 결례였다면 나이많은 아우의 재롱으로 보아주십시오.<br>많은 애기를 나누며 우리 현실에 추위에 방치된 이웃의 아픔이 절절합니다. 그놈의 돈이 뭔지.<br>저는 애초부터 기존난로방식을 무시했습니다. 왜냐면 기존 어떤 개량형의 난로도 흔히 굴뚝마냥 뿜어대는 연기를 이미 알고 있었기 때문입니다.<br>제가 찾은 방법은 제 경험으로 불과 공기의 조화만을 염두에 두고 별의별짓을 다합니다.<br>처음부터 유투브동영상의 난로와 모양그런 보일러...등등등..제 손을 거쳐 고물되거나 그냥 어느집 4층빌라에 난로로 쓰이는 그런대로 연기없는 것부터,, </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-20"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','20',false, '0', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">삭제</a> </div><div class="cl"> </div></div><div class="dotline line_sub" id="_cmt_line-343-21"> </div><div class="comment_pos" id="_cmt-343-21"><div class="id_admin " id="_cmt_head-343-21"><span><img width="13" height="13" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/g_level_25.gif"> <a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'kGVlFn3zXNE0', 'soner'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-21"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.06. 17:30 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-21" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-21">그러다 우연히 제작중 실수가 저를 확 깨게 해주더군요. 화실안은 올 용접을 원칙으로 고집하다 게으름이 한 부분의 전체용접을 부분테크상태로 마무리된 것을 알고 걱정스레 불피우다 놀라운 점을 발견합니다. 연기가 현저히 없어지더군요.<br>이 현상을 찾기위해 몇날은 뜯고 부시던 중 "아!. 이게 문풍지바람 황소바람"이라는 어른들 말씀이구나 싶데요...<br>그후 제 제작방법은 아주 단순해졌습니다...그게 동영상으로 진화한 것입니다. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-21"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','21',false, '0', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">삭제</a> </div><div class="cl"> </div></div><div class="recomment_pos recomment_first" id="_cmt-343-22"><div class="id_admin " id="_cmt_head-343-22"><span class="re_icon"><span>┗</span> <img width="13" height="13" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/g_level_25.gif"> <a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'XlA1OdQelxc0', '\uCF00\uC774\uC81C\uC774\uC5D0\uC2A4'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>케이제이에스</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-22"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2">15.11.07. 07:43 </font></span> </div><div class="recomment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-22" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-22">열정에 박수르 보냅니다<br>조은 정보 잘 읽고 있습니다<br>난로을 만들고 싶은 충동이 일어나네요<br>soner 님의 난로을 꼭사용 하고 싶네요<br>혹 부산길 있을때 연락주싶시요 <br>010-3564-1355<br><br></span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-22"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','22',false, '21', '케이제이에스'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>키바</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-23"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2">15.11.07. 14:54 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-23" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-23"> soner 님과의 한밤중 통화는 많은 의미가 있었던 시간이였습니다.<br>단순히 글로만 대화를 나누는것보다 좀더 감정이나 느낌을 이해할수있는 기회였습니다.<br>나이가 들어서일까요?<br>고정관념을 버리고 살아가자고 늘상 생각하고 다짐하면서도,<br>글만으로 이사람은 이런사람일거라는 판단을 너무쉽게 해버리는것 같습니다.<br><br>다시한번 soner님에게 사과를 드리고,<br>앞으로도 건승하시고 많은 발전 이루시길 바랍니다. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-23"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','23',false, '0', '키바'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-24"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.07. 18:16 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-24" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-24">고맙습니다. 저역시 키바님께 죄송했습니다. 우리 앞으로 추운 우리 이웃을 위해 좀 더 분발합시다. 전 우선 강원도에 원자재가공분을 보내 지역참가자들이 자작할 수 있는 체계를 구성합니다. 열심히 하겠습니다. 제가 님이 말씀하신대로 전혀 다른 방식의 접근에 게을리하지 않겠습니다. 전국 어는 곳이든 필요로하는 분이 계시면 원자재가공분을 보내드려 제작하실 수 있도록 우선 펼침노력을 하겠습니다. </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-24"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','24',false, '0', 'soner'); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-26"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.07. 19:37 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-26" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-26">생비량님 혹시 경남 어디시죠...지리산이 가까워 추운환경에 사실겁니다. 추운 겨울 따뜻이 보내세요...저흰 정치보다 가난한 우리 삶에 충실하면 되죠... </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-26"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','26',false, '0', 'soner'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">답글</a> <span class="bar2 cmt_button_reply"><font color="#e9e9e9">|</font></span> <a class="p11" xxonclick="Reply.showModifyForm(343,26); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>사니죠아</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-27"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2">15.11.10. 00:00 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-27" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-27">돌쇠형님?<br>그 열정은 식을 줄을 모르시군요? </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-27"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','27',false, '0', '사니죠아'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">답글</a> <span class="bar2 cmt_button_reply"><font color="#e9e9e9">|</font></span> <a class="p11" xxonclick="if(confirm‎('[사니죠아]님의 댓글을 Daum 클린센터에 신고하시겠습니까?')){window.open('http://spam119.daum.net/form?service_code=1&platformCode=CAFE&contentType=COMMENT&siteId=25R5&bbsId=Q703&articleId=343&commentId=27&viewUrl='+encodeURIComponent('http://cafe.daum.net/_service/bbs_read?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&datanum=343&cmtdataid=27'), 'spam_popup', 'width=450, height=300, resizable=yes, scrollbars=no').focus();return false;}else{return false;}" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">신고</a> </div><div class="cl"> </div></div><div class="dotline line_sub" id="_cmt_line-343-28"> </div><div class="comment_pos" id="_cmt-343-28"><div class="id_admin " id="_cmt_head-343-28"><span><img width="13" height="13" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/g_level_25.gif"> <a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'kGVlFn3zXNE0', 'soner'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>soner</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-28"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2"> 15.11.10. 02:37 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-28" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-28"> ?? 사니조아님..나가 행이란 말씨? 아따 이제 시작인디 식으면 재미 없지라...배지꼴려 디질때까지 가벌라요...ㅎㅎ<br>감싸하당께요... </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-28"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','28',false, '0', 'soner'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">답글</a> <span class="bar2 cmt_button_reply"><font color="#e9e9e9">|</font></span> <a class="p11" xxonclick="Reply.showModifyForm(343,28); 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return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>百民</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-29"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2">15.11.12. 20:46 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-29" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-29">참 멋진 생각들입니다. 추운 이웃들이 따뜻 해 질 까지 좋은 일 많이 해 주세요^^ </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-29"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','29',false, '0', '百民'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">답글</a> <span class="bar2 cmt_button_reply"><font color="#e9e9e9">|</font></span> <a class="p11" xxonclick="if(confirm‎('[百民]님의 댓글을 Daum 클린센터에 신고하시겠습니까?')){window.open('http://spam119.daum.net/form?service_code=1&platformCode=CAFE&contentType=COMMENT&siteId=25R5&bbsId=Q703&articleId=343&commentId=29&viewUrl='+encodeURIComponent('http://cafe.daum.net/_service/bbs_read?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&datanum=343&cmtdataid=29'), 'spam_popup', 'width=450, height=300, resizable=yes, scrollbars=no').focus();return false;}else{return false;}" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#">신고</a> </div><div class="cl"> </div></div><div class="dotline line_sub" id="_cmt_line-343-30"> </div><div class="comment_pos" id="_cmt-343-30"><div class="id_admin " id="_cmt_head-343-30"><span><img width="13" height="13" src="https://t1.daumcdn.net/cafe_image/cf_img2/bbs2/g_level_25.gif"> <a class="b" xxonclick="showSideView(this, 'cJViQZP6lMU0', '\uBCBC\uB9AC\uC57C'); return false;" href="http://cafe.daum.net/_c21_/bbs_nsread?grpid=25R5&fldid=Q703&contentval=0005Xzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz&datanum=343&searchlist_uri=%2F_c21_%2Fmember_article_cafesearch&search_ctx=VnKaQtKZsJZB2Q6rEnyTQNJLYJ1BLByrXH6apwnmUgNWNAJ367-_74Ts8EsQbwrkPKFBT6gHvIIIf.NpbIywezZiylM_-L61l26Ak4goCNJ8lcv77soixR4gdvw2-T_KGVjj-wOvyZ2OUZhQ8.3CE-_13f1m82c4JDTSVa-l2FPmPNoD-dhGhaBAi-S8fP_XbvHR6yROuZznQ9R1EwyhHr9ly3HnZXuR#"><strong>벼리야</strong></a> </span> <span class="comment_date txt_sub p11 ls0" id="_cmt_datestr-343-30"><font color="#a1a1a1" face="돋움" size="2">15.11.22. 04:42 </font></span> </div><div class="comment" id="_cmt_wrapper-343-30" style="display: block;"><span class="comment_contents" id="_cmt_contents-343-30"> soner 님의 글을 정독하다 여기까지 읽으며 카바님하고의 대화부분까지 진솔한 대면대면이<br>덧글까지 쓰게 만드네요 항상 눈팅만 해오던 저인데 많은걸 알아갑니다<br>뭐 아낙이라서 제가 만들수는 없겠지만 앞으로 많은 글과 회원님들과 대화 또는 조언등을<br>지켜보고 배워나가겠습니다 언젠가 제가 바라던 자리가 만들어지고 황토한옥을 지을때 까지<br>꾸준히 소통하고 인연이 되길 바래봅니다 멀리서나마 응원합니다 감사합니다 </span></div><div class="txt_btn p11" id="_cmt_button-343-30"><a class="p11 cmt_button_reply" xxonclick="Reply.showReplyForm('343','30',false, '0', '벼리야'); 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두분의 대화 잘읽었습니다..저는 현재 소너님의 조언으로 만든 난로 요~몇일 신기하게 사용하고 있습니다..
감사합니다..히