2005년 12월 29일 EBS라디오 방송에서...

[파란하늘]

   EBS 라디오 "모닝스페셜"  샘과 진행자 (매튜님 ,홍주희님) 스탭

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여동생이 불러준  I will survive가   잠깐흐르죠  ~~

샘의 부드러운  멋진  음성을 듣기위해서는   EBS 에  회원가입하셔야 하고 유료~~~~~~

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L: Good morning. Thank you very much.

M: Thank you for being here. so... early in the morning. Now... I always ask this question. It’s a very polite thing to do. I try and being polite to our guest. Usually in English... what do people call you? what shall I call you... I mean... Dr. Lee or

L: Most people call me S.B., which stands for my Korean name 승복. and that actually came about.... when I was a medical student... and classmate had difficult time to pronouncing my Korean name. And they came up with the initial name... S.B. but they.... were actually inferring to... just the fact that I was in wheelchair and went onto medical school.... and they were calling me Super Boy.

H: Ah... so...... super boy. & 승복 and S.B.

M: So... professor S.B. .....

H: So... shall we call you professor S.B.

M: That has a nice feel to.... well... first of all, our listeners may be very curious... and some people maybe know exactly who you are. But for the people who don’t... could you briefly introduce yourself?

L: Ehum.. I’m S.B. Lee. And I’m currently a physician at the Johns Hopkins university school of medicine in Biltmore Maryland. And... my... area of ..... interest is....this physical medicine of rehabilitation. I was a gymnast training... hopefully for the Olympics and this was back in the U.S. and I had hopes and dreams of representing Korea as an Olympian... and... someday to win a gold medal and unfortunately that didn’t happen and I had an injury, which resulted in my... being paralyzed and ending up with in wheelchair....and I didn’t let that stop me...and so... I went onto medical school... wanted to become a physician.... to help other people.

M: And you did... and you completely succeeded.

H:... yeah... that’s right.

M: Absolutely. Now we listened to... this song before.... “I’ll survive” very very famous song. But I think it has special meaning to you. Is that right?

L:... I think... Yes... well... more so for my sister. When.... we were very young... at that time... when we immigrated from Korea to the United States. And.... it was rather difficult time for all of us... the five members of our family.... especially for our siblings... because our parents had to work... and we serve had to... kind of had to fetch for ourselves. So, I sort of took on the role of the parent. And... had to... help feed and to make sure... that my younger siblings were taken care of... and the... and I think at that time that song... just kind of hit the charts and my sister sort of took that as... a statement that... we’re gonna survive and make it through this hard time.

H: So... when did you first immigrate to... the U.S.

L: This is a... over 30 years ago now...when I was about 8 years old. My siblings and I are 2 years apart... and the first of three.... then my sister and younger brother and my dad thought that we would have a better life than what we are... had already in Korea at that time... and .... we packed up our belongings and the five of use got on a plane and immigrated to the U.S.

H: You were practicing gymnastic... you wanted to go on the Olympics... but... you had an accident... so... it must be really hard time... so... could you please tell us about it... a little bit more?

L: I came about doing gymnastics.... because I felt there was a need in my life to accomplish something huge and as a result to.... to restore the love and the warmth that we once had back in Korea....which is sort of disappeared...when we immigrated to the U.S. and.... I wanted to as a first son... of a Korean family.... to accomplish something.... huge... and I... sort of.... stumbled across gymnastics...fell in love with the sport... and my dream was..... to represent Korea.... and to win a gold medal and... as a result of that... I would ....make my parents proud and make my home country known to the rest of the world.... and that how I pursued my gymnastics career.

M: I did gymnastics actually... for 1 month. I did a forward roll.... and I did one hand stand. But it was terrible.... terrible.... but least... I tried. Now... you had your accident... and that must have been... a major... how would I say.... turning point if you like... a very difficult time in your life... not during the accident...of course... but after that time... what was going through your head... what did you feel the future had... was holding for you?

L: I think... I was still hopeful that... I would overcome this injury.... and I would.... be heeled... and walk out of the hospital... so that I can return to my training.... and my own big pursuit. And I had hoped that there was a slight bit of uncertainty.....in the back of my mind... that perhaps... someday....I may not return to gymnastics...and therefore... never see gold medal around my neck....and when the doctors came finally after a few months of into my hospitalization... I finally realized that the painful truth... that I would never walk again... and never see my Olympic dream become reality... and I think that that was more painful to me....to realize that truth than the fact that I would be in a wheelchair for the rest of my life.

M: I was breaking the dream, which is the... more difficult point. So.... how do you think.... and a lot of people whether it’s through religion... or through family... or through loved one... they find someway of overcome this...and obviously... you’re very very successful person...... you did overcome...what was a very difficult time. What do you think helped you get through this?

L: I think it’s a combination of all the Jesus mentioned here. God in one perspective and... also... family coming closer together as a result of this tragic accident.... and also.. the fact that... my personality being very determined and ambitious to begin with... a combination... accommodation of all of these... it helped me to overcome this tragedy.... and to.... not let it stop me from going on with my life... and to big... to dream bigger things... in my fit and to pursue...something that I can do besides gymnastics.

H: Besides gymnastics, you decided to be a medical doctor and then... that’s what you are now. so... how did you actually make a decision to become a doctor?

L: Yeah... when I was a patient in the hospital... there were many things that I’d experienced. One of the things was... these doctors...would come in every morning... you know... geared up in their white lab coats... and all kinds of intricate looking equipment and tools in their pockets and they would always talk amongst themselves with their medical jargon and they would never communicate to us... in a simple manner... we couldn’t understand...and clear identify with....what they were talking about us.... and I felt like an experiment when these doctors came in and just kind of checked in on everyday... and I felt that... there was something missing... in these doctors... and it was then... that I felt that... that I was going to help these people even physician and perhaps... patients like myself. And I said... ‘Someday.... I’m gonna be a doctor.... just like you guys...and I’ll show you guys how it really are to be done... you know.... with compassion... and a little bit more of a feeling and understanding toward people who are suffering as patients’ and so... I decided to become a doctor.

H: That is toughing.... It reminds me of the story... the movie... Robin Williams...

M: Patch Adams... is you thinking of? Stop giving me these quizzes 선생님...... ^^*

H: I’m sorry... I just need your help.

M: I think this is really interesting... because many people would say... ‘I became a doctor, because it’s a respectable job, I became a doctor cause....” ^^* let’s say it cynically.... “It pays good money later on.” But... What a wonderful reason to communicate people with compassion and help them with their suffering. So, what year was you entered medical school?

L: It was back in 1996....

M: Was it a hard time for you?.... Again.. ^^;;

L: Yes. Well... I knew that medical school was gonna be long and hard but I knew that... that was definitely what I wanted to do... and I wanted to.... sort of give my life to that....now that gymnastic was over. But... the studies and the..... just the rigors of the academics was pretty brutal and challenging.... and it was especially hard because... at that time.... my folks had immigrated back to Korea... and so my parents weren’t around and my brother and sister were already establish back in the N.Y., New George area where they were living at the time... and so, we didn’t see much of each other as family and so... it was hard for me to just kind of endure that through alone and studying.... and so...it was a rather difficult time for me.

M: That is... that sort of time... period of time... if you don’t have your family there. and there you said your father and mother had come back to Korea... by that point.

H: and also... you did your internship at Harvard University... medical hospital. It should be very difficult, because when we think about internship at a hospital.... even in Korea... it’s very very tough. And... I wonder what it’s like there and how hard it was to you?

L: Yeah... as we graduate from medical school, we think that we know everything but reality is that we don’t whole a lot and so... the real training begins from day one as doctor. My first day on the job....it was about 6:50 AM....and I started my rotation in the ER. And....one of my.... well... it was first patient who’s rolled in. This was a young gentleman who had overdosed on some substance abuse and... at that moment... as the patient being rolled in, I was just kind of frozen... I was thinking through on... some of the things that had memorized on some exams...that I took in medical school and I was think... “OK... which medication am I gonna choose to administer to this patient?” and by that time.... this patient had already... had passed. And... that experience just kind of shook me up. And I realized that I can’t think the way I used to think as a student... and I have to think in reality term....as a physician who is dealing with life and death. And from... start day one....you know... first thing in the morning taking experience that.... you know... it was sort of a wake up call... and it took a while for me to get used to being called Dr. Lee....and the... for the first week and a half... when people would call me Dr. Lee... I had to kind of... sort of... do a double take... and realized that it was me they were calling and so. Internship was a very difficult time... but it was also... an extremely high learning curb period... and so... I think it was a time of maturity and time to really learn and realize things and life that are more important than just... memorizing a bunch of medications... medical schools...

M: Right... just learning and all the facts and figures. It’s easy for us to forget that... “Doctors are real people”... as patients we sometimes... finding very easy to see... ‘They know everything. They’re not human... but they are doctors’ I’ve been talking with you, met you for the first time today, and you seem such a... how should I say.... driven.... you’re so driven. I’ve never met someone... like... “This is what I’m gonna do!” and you achieved your goal. So... you went on to the plane when you were at N.Y.... university... and the... apparently you wrote a book at that time. Is that correct?

L: I sort of kept a journal. (M: Ah... is it ongoing?) Yes... and eventually came to a point where it became a book and I remember fellow classmates and people saying just... “You know... someday... you should write a book about your life story” and I think that what sort of motivated me to do this... so.... I kept a mental log and some written log of... of just a.... the details, and happing(???) as I went through life and the... the book came about early this summer after I had been featured on some documentary special on KBS. And then.... one of the publishing companies here in Korea... had approached me and.... said... they were interested in publishing this book. And so... that’s how this book came about... and...came to Korea in the summer... when it first... went on the market.

M: and promote the log (L: exactly) Now in the book you talk about your first visit to Korea.... Oh... Coming back to Korea.... I apologize your first visit back to Korea..... was that... what kind of experience was that? I can’t even imagine.

L: That was a.... sometimes of mid 80s I believe and this was my first visit back to Korea... in a wheelchair.... after I’ve been injured... I have been back several times part to that....(??) but... at that time... it was a shocking experience for me.... because... here I am... back in my home land.... you know... excited... just you know.... wanting to soak in all it... as I had always felt return into Korea. But this time... you know... being in a wheelchair and realizing that... accessibility was not exactly what I was used to back in the U.S. and then I have to say that.... you know.... one country is better than the other... but just the fact that... you know... something that was very natural for me....that I had to kind of get readjust to. And one of the experiences I had was.... woman just came up right up to me on the street. And she just started crying... and kneeling down and asked me where I got my wheelchair because she had a disabled daughter at home... who couldn’t walk, who couldn’t get out... just because she didn’t have a way to find a wheelchair like mine to help her get out. That was a very toughing and moving experience for me.

H: That’s back in the mid 80s that’s like 20 years ago...and then compared with that time... how do you feel now?

L: I think... now things have actually changed here even in Korea...ah.... as I said I came back here this past summer and it was about 7 years ago..... Since I was last year.... parted to(@!!@$??) that... during that 7 years period, when I saw the summer was just completely surprising to me. I’ve seen... people actually in wheelchairs out on the streets... here in Korea. And in fact this morning as we were driving in, I saw a man in a power motorized wheelchair wheeling on the streets. I was just in amazement. And I think... that just speaks out... that the...Korea is actually now changing in terms of just.... accessibility and disability awareness on the issue.

M: We are actually in 우면동... right here... close to here. There is actually a center... for people to... for rehabilitation. And maybe who here where you saw they have powered wheelchairs.

H: and you know.... working as a doctor of John Hopkins hospital, which is one of the best hospitals in the U.S. or in the world.... and rehabilitation medicine... and...maybe.. you have these experience of going through all these difficulties maybe you can help the patients better.... and how would you describe yourself as a doctor?

L: well... I think... all patients really want to.... depend on their physicians... they relay on their physicians for their medical care. And you know... ultimately we are as human beings... and you know we wanna preserve our lives. And.... and I think that’s something that I always keep in the back of my mind. What would I do if this patient were my parent or my loved one? What did I feel? What did I experience when I was a patient? And how did I want to be treated from my positions? Those are the things that really help me to help my patients. And I think those experiences are really valuable in helping me... in shaping me... to become the type of position I’m today.

M: So, they must have a lot of trust in you... as well.... rather than somebody... a doctor talking to them saying “I understand your situation” You obviously you fully do understand their situations. So, they have more true for... in you.

L: Yeah... I think the fact that I’m in a wheelchair and the patient meets me... when we meet for the very first time, I think there’s an automatic level of trust and rapport that develops that other physicians who are not in wheelchairs or who don’t have a disability maybe at a disadvantage.

M: Give us a lot of hope.

H: Give us a lot of hope. Maybe you can give us... especially to those who are listening to the radio and those who are going through a lot of difficulties including physical... you know... people are having emotional mental... and you may want to give some messages that can boost their spirit or encourage them.

L: I think it’s import to have loved ones around in any given situation and especially in hard times.... and especially when you are in need... in the physical sense as well.... to really have support and love from your close family members and people around you... and also... to... to have a positive thinking in all areas of life... and do not let the negative things to really let you down when you could very well potentially have so much that you could offer not only to yourself but to people around you into the world... and to make the most of every opportunity and I think that’s the important things to keep in mind and whatever we do and whatever we face in life.

H: Wow... there’s a great message for all of us... who are going to have a new years.

M: Going into the new year. Last thing.... just we’re running out of time unfortunately. I could talk all day.... but... what are your marry in the near future... what are your plans?

L: I hope to get married soon. ^^

M: Yeah... that’s the biggest obstacle yet.

L: and...I hope to continue with my work in... in the medial profession.... and I really like to see myself come back to Korea and work in that area... to help people... especially for the disabled population and to also... work with athletes....and I have a very keen interest in working with the gymnasts here in Korea and I have a good relationship with the Korean national gymnastics team...and so... I like to work in along those lines and you know... as a medical profession.... as a citizen of this society.... and just to offer encouragement and hope to everyone.

M: You’re gonna be busy.... in a word... busy...

H: Oh... that was great....

L:Thankyou

L:Happy new year

[영웅영웅]

이해 안되는게 너무 많다 열심히 공부 해야 겠다..

[고정일(snoopygirl)]

오~~오 들어야 겠네요...

[고정일(snoopygirl)]

방송 들었어요... 선생님의 바람이 꼬~~옥 이루어지길 바랍니다.. 좋은분 빨리 만나셔서 결혼하시기 바랍니다... 기도할께요...

[누긴내다]

ㅜ.ㅜ 이게왼일;;; 돈을 요구하네요;; 저요세 이비에스교육방송보고공부하는되;; 이건 아니라구봐요 ;; 돈~~~~~~을요구하다니...승복님을 볼수없자나 ㅠ.ㅠ

[라일락]

Emigrate early ... When emigration life is hard, that younger sister called that .. Gloria gaynor - I will survive.. Our country singer has ever translated and sing this song.

[라일락]

언니.. 인터뷰 내용까지 올려줘서 고마워요 ^^* 덕분에 이해가 빨랐어요.

[파란하늘]

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