JESUS HAD NO DNA RECEIVED FROM MARY.

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JESUS HAD NO DNA RECEIVED FROM MARY.

Jesus brought His own body when He entered the womb of Mary.

Mary was a surrogate mother or a human incubator.

Here is the debate:

Eliyahu EJ

Avery Appiah Where is Melchizedek gone? I know your answer. I don't know.

Avery Appiah

Eliyahu EJ He’s dead.

Eliyahu EJ

Avery Appiah You don't believe the Bible, and that's why you hate Sola Scriptura. Read this Hebrews 7: 3<<< Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abides a priest continually.>>> You are not blind, are you? < nor end of life> means the death? You are a devout Idol Worshipper and therefore you read the Bible only for the defending Idolatry and goddess Mary. Melchizedek is succeeded by Son of God, which is the meaning of < Son of God in the order of Melchizedek!> Son of God is the continuation of Melchizedek as the High Priest! Can you understand?

Avery Appiah

Eliyahu EJ Because if God doesn’t make Jesus from the same substance as Adam, that would mean this body wasn’t human. And therefore He couldn’t be adopted by Joseph, and couldn’t be of the seed of Abraham and Adam. And this Jesus would be the Messiah. This isn’t a “most fitting” thing. Jesus HAS to take His flesh from Mary.

Avery Appiah

Eliyahu EJ Because if God doesn’t make Jesus from the same substance as Adam, that would mean this body wasn’t human. And therefore He couldn’t be adopted by Joseph, and couldn’t be of the seed of Abraham and Adam. And this Jesus would be the Messiah. This isn’t a “most fitting” thing. Jesus HAS to take His flesh from Mary.

Eliyahu EJ

Avery Appiah You are denying The Word became Flesh as the flesh of Mary became flesh of Jesus in order to be the seed of Abraham. Such denial is caused by the denial of Adoption. If Mary adopted Jesus, it satisfies the < Seed of Abraham >. You never answered how the brain of Jesus made of Mary could remember the time before the creation of the universe ( John 17:5).

Avery Appiah

Eliyahu EJ No, Mary adopting Jesus doesn’t solve that. In Jewish custom, Mothers cannot adopt children into the tribe. That’s why children with a Jewish father and non-Jewish mother are not counted as Jews, while children with a jewish mother and non-jewish father are, except they don’t belong to a tribe. You have to be physically descended from the Mother.

It also doesn’t contradict “the Word became Flesh”. Just like you aren’t your mother’s flesh, but made from her flesh, so Jesus isn’t Mary’s flesh, though He receives it from her. This isn’t hard.

And “the Word became Flesh” again proves your eternal body theory wrong, as it would mean there had to be a time where the Word wasn’t flesh and dwelling amongst us.

I already answered how Jesus’ human intellect can know things it shouldn’t be able to. You seem to think Jesus was an empty meat back God was controlling but He wasn’t. Jesus had a human and a divine intellect. It’s actually very important that that be the case since if He didn’t have a human intellect, He wouldn’t be fully human.

ELIYAHU EJ TO AVERY.

Luke 2

48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

Mary said Joseph is His father. In other words, Jesus was already adopted to Joseph. Do you deny this? That is enough for Jesus to be the descendant of David!

Hebrews 7

10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood.

If the body of Jesus was the descendant of Mary, David, then of Abraham, it means that Jesus was on the loins of Abraham when Abraham paid the 10% to Melchizedek.

Judah paid the tithe to Melchizedek as he was on the loins of Abraham.

So, did Jesus pay the tithe to Melchizedek?

In your logic, it may be so. But, as I told you, Melchizedek was the pre-incarnate Jesus Christ and therefore, if anyone claim Jesus paid the tithe to Melchizedek thru Abraham, it is nonsense.

1 Cor 15

38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

God gave every creature its own body, but your God couldn’t have his own body?

1 Cor 15

45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

47 The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven.

You are claiming that the last Adam, Jesus Christ has become the descendant of the first Adam in order to be the Messiah so that He can have the humanity. That is based on 2 premises. 1) Son of God had no body at all 2) In order to be the Messiah He must wear the body of the Adam’s race, the sinners, which means that He should be the descendant of the first man Adam. All things are invented by you. Nowhere in the Bible such conditions can be found.

Romans 5

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Paul doesn’t mention any exception for Mary. If you claim the exception for Mary, then you are modifying the Bible for your need of defending Mary worship.

Mary was under the death. If Jesus received the body from Mary, then He had to take over the death factors from Mary as well. Do you believe Jesus offered His body without sin, without blemish? Your premises are based on the impossible conditions.

John 17

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

John 8:

Jesus said < Before Abraham was, I AM.

Jesus remembers the time before the Creation. Did the memory come from His brain of the body received from Mary? After receiving the brain from Mary, did Jesus study the Bible and learn the facts about His fellowship with His Father?

Exodus 33

11 And the Lord spoke unto Moses face to face, as a man speaks unto his friend.

Hebrews 11

26 Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.

Jehovah spoke to Moses face to face. Was it just a Simulacrum?

<<< It also doesn’t contradict “the Word became Flesh”. Just like you aren’t your mother’s flesh, but made from her flesh, so Jesus isn’t Mary’s flesh, though He receives it from her. This isn’t hard.>>> You sound like being ignorant about the Life Science.

Women’s eggs are produced and discharged every month. Therefore the ova are products of women’s bodies. You claimed God made the ovum of Mary become a human body having the brain without the fertilization with a sperm. Normally, 50% of the DNA of the new born babies are from the mother. Therefore if Mary was the biological mother of Jesus, 50% of DNA of body of Jesus is from Mary.

Bible says < Word became Flesh>. But you are justifying < Flesh of Mary became Flesh of Jesus > Flesh of Jesus wasn’t flesh of Mary. < Word became Flesh > is a miracle! Bible is talking about the miracle! Why? Word itself is a Creator, Creator of all things! Creator of all the bodies of the world. He couldn’t make His own body? This is why we say, Jesus of RCC is a little baby all the time, in the bosom of Mary, Queen of Heaven!

<Word became Flesh> means < No human flesh was involved in becoming the flesh of Jesus!> No ovum of Mary was used for forming the flesh of Jesus.

Your claims are based on:

1) God couldn’t have His own body while He gave all creatures their own bodies

2) In order to be the Messiah, Jesus should have worn the body of human race, descendant of Adam.

3) Even if the ovum of Mary was used, it doesn’t contradict < Word became Flesh>

4) The memory remembering Abraham, the time before Creation could be learned by the new brain produced from Mary’s ovum?

Bible contrast First Adam to Last Adam. You claim the Last Adam Jesus should become the descendant of the first Adam. Then Jesus couldn’t save the Adam’s race! Why? The Whole Adam’s race is under death and sinful.

Jesus came to rescue the whole Adam’s race with the mission to save them by His own blood, the sinless blood, not originated from Adam after the Fall.

He succeeded in the Rescue Mission and cried < It is finished> ( John 19:30).

Believe Jesus was sinless and offered the sinless body and sinless blood to God, which had no DNA from Mary, not for the human beings to drink, but for God.

2024. 6. 17 Eliyahu

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마리아의 DNA를 받았으면 흠결까지 받은 셈이 되지않을까요. 예수님은 순전하고 흠없는 DNA를 가지셨을거라 생각됩니다.

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Face book 에서 계속 논쟁중입니다. 한번 보시면 유익하실 것입니다. 그런데 제가 두번 글을 올렸었는데,
아무래도 좀더 종합적인 글을 써야 할 것같습니다. 카톨릭은 마리아의 난자가 사용되어 예수님의 몸이 형성되었고,
예수님이 흘리신 피는 마리아가 준 것이었고 십자가에 매달린 몸도 마리아에게서 나왔다고 합니다.
예수님의 신성은 창세전부터 있었지만, 인성은 마리아에게서 받았다는 것입니다. 그러면, 너희는 네스토리우스와 같지 않냐? 하고 반문하기도 합니다. 그렇다면 마리아의 난자와 결합한 정자는 누구의 것이냐? 에 대한 대답은 얼버무리면서, 오직 마리아의 난자만으로 형성되었다고 합니다. 다시 여자는 XX 염색체를 갖고 남자는 XY염색체를 갖는데, 예수님은 마리아의 XX 염색체만으로 형성되었느냐> 하고 물었더니, 지금 아무 말도 못하고 있는 상태입니다. 다시 반문하여 예수님의 몸에는 오직 XX 염색체만 있느냐? 그러면 예수님이 여자라는 말이냐? 하고 물은 상태입니다.

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피할길없는 예리한 지적인듯합니다.

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