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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:19    Post subject: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
FEDERICI - MOM - So calm under pressure, great with crosses and a match saving save. He is going to be a top rate goalkeeper, the next Aussie International, wow. GUNNARSSON - Next best player on the pitch, Perfect headed goal and great reading at the back, if he's a squad player, then what a squad player. BIKEY - For me, and I know i'm in the minority, a calamity waiting to happen. Lazy too. some towering headers and great blocks, but not a premiership centre back (maybe a midfielder though!). Sorry. INGARMASSON - As usual quietly very effective, one of the unsung heroes of this season. DE LA CRUZ - Seems to have learnt his limitations, one of the most important things as a sportsman. Good both going forwards and back. Great job on the number 7, whoever he was! SHOREY - Sadly, in front of McClaren, not his best game. Still an asset to any premiership team though SIDWELL - Very disciplined job in midfield, won everything in the air and I really hope he is here next season. OSTER - Great on the ball and ran his heart out, another terrific squad player and well worth the contract extension. SODJE looked strong in the air and at least meant Bikey could play in midfield! CONVEY - Did ok, not at his best and was upstaged by HUNT, but a decent performance on his rehab. SEOL - If is wasn't for his early season form we may not be where we are now, but without the ball he is bone idle. Needs a rollocking because he has the turn of shoulder many internationals would dream of. He has two good feet and good in the air. If Hunt had his raw attributes, he'd be one of the best players in the world, but Seaul seems like a kid not paying attention in class. LITTLE had no time to impress! 그가 이번 시즌 초반에 보여준 모습만 아니였음 우린 여기까지 못왔을수도 있어 하지만 그는 공을 가지고 있을때 아무것도 안한다구.  그를 한번 완전히 흔들어줘야 된다구 왜냐면 그는 국대선수들이 꿈만 꾸느 그런 실력을 가지고 있으니까.  그는 좋은 두 발을 가지고 있고 에어볼도 잘 처리한다구.  만약 헌트가 그와 같은 팀 기여도를 가지고 있었다면 그는 세상에서 가장 휼륭한 선수들중에 한명이였을꺼야, 하지만 설은 수업에 집중을 안하는 어린애 같다구.  리틀은 우리가 인정할수 있을만큼의 시간이 없었지. KITSON - I actually think Lita is a better lone striker, but good work rate, good use of his body strength and unlucky not to score. A difficult job well done.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:24    Post subject:
forget individuals MOM the whole feckin' team IMHO

아 - 누가 MOM인지 깜박했네,  팀 전체가 MOM이였어!

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:26    Post subject:
knobby_1871 wrote: forget individuals MOM the whole feckin' team IMHO well said also best match ever this year last 20~30 minutes was lightening quick much better than spain vs england

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응 잘말했어 이 게임은 이번년에서 가장 끝내주는 게임이였어

마지막 20, 30분은 번개처럼 빨랐지

스페인 v 잉글랜드보다 훨씬 더 낫았어.)

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:27    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
PistolPete wrote: SEOL - If is wasn't for his early season form we may not be where we are now, but without the ball he is bone idle. Needs a rollocking because he has the turn of shoulder many internationals would dream of. He has two good feet and good in the air. If Hunt had his raw attributes, he'd be one of the best players in the world, but Seaul seems like a kid not paying attention in class. Five great crosses and close to man of the match. (설기현 선수의 글을 보고-) 5개의 좋은 크로스들과 이 게임의 MOM될만큼 잘해줬다구

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:30    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
Handsome Man wrote: PistolPete wrote: SEOL - If is wasn't for his early season form we may not be where we are now, but without the ball he is bone idle. Needs a rollocking because he has the turn of shoulder many internationals would dream of. He has two good feet and good in the air. If Hunt had his raw attributes, he'd be one of the best players in the world, but Seaul seems like a kid not paying attention in class. Five great crosses and close to man of the match. good in the air, good cross, physically strong, c ausing problems without the ball however he seems lazyyyyyyyy as always somethings wrong with his motion

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에어볼 처리도 좋고, 좋은 크로스들, 단단한 몸 등등

하지만 공을 가지고 있지 않을때는 많은 문제들이 보이지

그는 너무 게을러

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:31    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
Handsome Man wrote: PistolPete wrote: SEOL - If is wasn't for his early season form we may not be where we are now, but without the ball he is bone idle. Needs a rollocking because he has the turn of shoulder many internationals would dream of. He has two good feet and good in the air. If Hunt had his raw attributes, he'd be one of the best players in the world, but Seaul seems like a kid not paying attention in class. Five great crosses and close to man of the match. I must have been watching a different game.

(5개 크로스~ 그글 보구)

나와 다른 게임을 본게 분명하구나!

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:32    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
PistolPete wrote: FEDERICI - MOM - So calm under pressure, great with crosses and a match saving save. He is going to be a top rate goalkeeper, the next Aussie International, wow. Federici held onto firmly-struck shots; Marcus has had a tendency to bobble the odd one this season. He's a great prospect for the future. The ref and commentators thought Ronaldo shot wide, but I think Federici actually deflected it with his knee.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:33    Post subject:
Federici was definatly Man Of The Match. Looked calm and was commanding in his box, some greats kicks aswell. Not to mention the world class saves.

- 대충 레딩 골킵이 가장 잘했다는 말이 ㅎㅎ

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:38    Post subject:
Heroes All

모두다가 우리의 히어로야

- 모두다 잘해줬어

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:40    Post subject:
De La Cruz MOTM for me. Never put a foot wrong, made some crucial last ditch challenges, covered vast amounts of space tracking whoever was on the LW - first Ronaldo, then Park - and almost scored as well. He also got invovled in some neat passing play from time to time and never looked uncomfortable.

델라 크루즈가 나한테는 MOM이야~

- 로날도와 박이 골을 넣을수도 있었다구

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:41    Post subject:
Tha game was available here in Canada. Seol actually ran his socks off and was constantly back taking away United's passsing options and surprisingly won a number of balls in the tackle too. (설은 정말 그의 양발이 벗겨질정도로 많이 뛰어줬다구 그리구 지속적으로 뒷쪽을가서 유나이티드의 공을 뺏었고 놀랍게도 태클로 많은 공을 가져왔어.) The only real mistake was in the first half failing to spot Convey wide open in the middle, choosing a hopeless far post cross instead. Overall, I'd give him an 8 on that performance. I agree Federici did save the Ronaldo break away and looked very promising. My MOTM though was DLC, a fantastic number of crucial blocks and interceptions and almost created and finished another great goal. Shorey was poor in the use of the ball but I blame Convey, he wasn't offering any wide passing options.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:45    Post subject:
Federici - 8 Shorey - 7 Bikey - 7 Gunnarsson - 7 Ingimarssonn - 6 De La Cruz - 7 Seol - 5 Convey - 5 Oster - 6 Sidwell - 6 Kitson - 6

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:48    Post subject:
Bryn, closely followed by Adam F. Has Bryn found some extra pace? To me he looked a yard quicker than last season... Seol was poor...OK a couple of good crosses but had masses of service (as DeLa had a good game and almost all of Adam's distribution went right and unlike Bobby due to Shorey's surprisingly off game) and wasted virtually all of it. With Blakey on for the last 20 mins (as opposed to the 5 he had) we could have snatched the win. Overall another great performance by the team today and Coppell called it right again...

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:49    Post subject:
AbovetheI wrote: Federici - 8 Shorey - 7 Bikey - 7 Gunnarsson - 7 Ingimarssonn - 6 De La Cruz - 7 Seol - 5 Convey - 5 Oster - 6 Sidwell - 6 Kitson - 6 You cant be giving players such low ratings when they have just a great result. What does Federici have to do to get a 9, he let in a goal but made a world class save.

좋은 게임을 보여준 선수한테 낮은 평점을 매길수는 없다구.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:50    Post subject:
AbovetheI wrote: Federici - 8 Shorey - 7 Bikey - 7 Gunnarsson - 7 Ingimarssonn - 6 De La Cruz - 7 Seol - 5 Convey - 5 Oster - 6 Sidwell - 6 Kitson - 6 So you think that Seol and Convey deserved the same rating? Really?

너는 설과 컨베이가 똑같은 평점을 받아야 된다고 생각하니 ?  정말루?

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:51    Post subject:
2.8 lita injection wrote: AbovetheI wrote: Federici - 8 Shorey - 7 Bikey - 7 Gunnarsson - 7 Ingimarssonn - 6 De La Cruz - 7 Seol - 5 Convey - 5 Oster - 6 Sidwell - 6 Kitson - 6 You cant be giving players such low ratings when they have just a great result. What does Federici have to do to get a 9, he let in a goal but made a world class save. Well there's your answer. It equals it out if anything. We ground out a great result, there's no denying it, but we werent exactly class. The defending was really good but you have to admit that we would be in a different situation now if Man Utd could finish today.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:54    Post subject:
Seol gets unfair criticism on here. (설은 공정하지 않은 비판을 받고 있다구.) But fickle fans are always looking to blame someone instead of just accepting certain outcomes. Seol was vital in the start of our season and has proved to be a very good player, he might be inconsistent but wingers sometimes are, flair players can win games and im sure soel will improve over time under coppell. 하지만 항상 사람들의 의견만 맞장구 쳐주는 그런 팬들은 결과을 만족하는걸 떠나서 항상 책임을 물어야 할 선수를 찾지.  설은 이번 시즌 초반에 정말이지 중요한 선수였어 그리고 그는 그가 얼마나 좋은 선수인지 증명했고, 그의 기복이 심할수 있지만 윙어들은 가끔가다 그럴때도 있지, 잘하는 선수들은 게임을 이기게 할수 있고 나는 그가 코펠 아래서 이 점을 발전시킬수 있다고 생각해. I have a feeling because he is a new player its easier for the fans to pick him out for criticism, easier on their conscience.

(내가 생각하기에는 그는 새로운 선수이기 때문에 팬들이 그을 꼬집어 비판할려고 하는거 같에)

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:56    Post subject:
2.8 lita injection wrote: Seol gets unfair criticism on here. But fickle fans are always looking to blame someone instead of just accepting certain outcomes. Seol was vital in the start of our season and has proved to be a very good player, he might be inconsistent but wingers sometimes are, flair players can win games and im sure soel will improve over time under coppell. I have a feeling because he is a new player its easier for the fans to pick him out for criticism, easier on their conscience. I'm not picking on Seol. He, and convey, were very inaffective today, but we ground out a result so hey ho. IMO the criticism he gets on here isn't unjust, in fact it's fair. We don't pay his wages so he can prance around, do a few step overs and lose the ball, then stand still for 10 minutes. It doesn't work in the Premiership.

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나는 설기현을 꼭 찝어서 뭐라고 하는게 아니야, 그리고 컨베이도 마찬가지지 하지만 그들은

오늘 정말 아무 효력이 없었어, 그래도 우린 아주 좋은 결과를 얻었지!  그가 받은 비판들은 전혀 불공평 하지 않아, 우리는 그가 그라운드에서 그냥 걸어다니기만 하라고 그에게 돈을 주는게 아니라고, 약간의 동작을 취하고 공을 뺏기고, 그리고 그는 10분동안 가만이 서 있기만 한다고.  프리미어쉽에서는 이건 먹히지 않아.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:56    Post subject:
Federici - 9 Shorey - 7 Bikey - 8 Gunnarsson - 7 Ingimarssonn - 6 De La Cruz - 7 Seol - 6 Convey - 5 Oster - 5 Sidwell - 6 Kitson - 6 Last edited by LoyaltoDoyle on 17 Feb 2007 20:58; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:57    Post subject: ratings
If one of those chances late on had gone in, you'd all be giving them an extra point. Except Bobby C maybe.... Now watch Berkshire go crazy for tickets to the replay...

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:58    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
BIKEY - For me, and I know i'm in the minority, a calamity waiting to happen. Lazy too. some towering headers and great blocks, but not a premiership centre back (maybe a midfielder though!). Sorry. [/quote] Not only are you in the minority but you are also wrong (Sorry). Every game he has played he has improved (give or take Wigan). His concentration was excellent, his interventions assured, and when he went into midfield at the end of the game he improved that department. SIGN HIM PERMANENTLY AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE CHANCE

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:59    Post subject:
LoyaltoDoyle wrote: Federici - 9 Shorey - 7 Bikey - 8 Gunnarsson - 7 Ingimarssonn - 6 De La Cruz - 7 Seol - 6 Convey - 5 Oster - 5 Sidwell - 6 Kitson - 6 This I find incomprehensible.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:59    Post subject:
Federici - 9 Some blinding saves - Looked solid....distribution good (What a save from Larsson, I think) Goal he saw late so I'll let him off (Should have been closed down quicker) Shorey - 6 High standards ,eam he gets a just a 6 though was competant against an inform Ronaldo/Park Bikey - 7 Provong a promising player, creases are still there but slowly dissapating Gunnarsson - 8/[b] Top header important play, helped solidify the defence Ingimarssonn - [b]7 Did ok.. De La Cruz - 8 Good positive mantra, several great blocks when a goal would probably resulted. Almost finished off a nice little move at the end of the 1st half. Seol - 6 Did not too bad, better application though things didnt always come off. 잘 못하지는 않았지만 더 잘해야되,  뜻대로 모든게 되지는 않았어. Convey - 6 Oster - 7 Good running playing in the midfield. Not quite up to the likes of harps but did ok Sidwell - 8 Again tidy effiecient. Good tackling and breaking up play. Good considering he was up against an £18 million player Kitson - 7 Did well to hold the ball up and give it to on copming midfielders, as a sympton of the tactics/formation...didnt quite get the support required to really worry United Last edited by Tails on 17 Feb 2007 21:01; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 20:59    Post subject:
My ratings Federici - 9 Shorey - 7 Bikey - 7 Gunnarsson - 7 Ingimarssonn - 7 De La Cruz - 7 Seol - 6 Convey - 5 Oster - 6 Sidwell - 7 Kitson - 7

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:02    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
PistolPete wrote: FEDERICI - MOM - So calm under pressure, great with crosses and a match saving save. He is going to be a top rate goalkeeper, the next Aussie International, wow. GUNNARSSON - Next best player on the pitch, Perfect headed goal and great reading at the back, if he's a squad player, then what a squad player. BIKEY - For me, and I know i'm in the minority, a calamity waiting to happen. Lazy too. some towering headers and great blocks, but not a premiership centre back (maybe a midfielder though!). Sorry. INGARMASSON - As usual quietly very effective, one of the unsung heroes of this season. DE LA CRUZ - Seems to have learnt his limitations, one of the most important things as a sportsman. Good both going forwards and back. Great job on the number 7, whoever he was! SHOREY - Sadly, in front of McClaren, not his best game. Still an asset to any premiership team though SIDWELL - Very disciplined job in midfield, won everything in the air and I really hope he is here next season. OSTER - Great on the ball and ran his heart out, another terrific squad player and well worth the contract extension. SODJE looked strong in the air and at least meant Bikey could play in midfield! CONVEY - Did ok, not at his best and was upstaged by HUNT, but a decent performance on his rehab. SEOL - If is wasn't for his early season form we may not be where we are now, but without the ball he is bone idle. Needs a rollocking because he has the turn of shoulder many internationals would dream of. He has two good feet and good in the air. If Hunt had his raw attributes, he'd be one of the best players in the world, but Seaul seems like a kid not paying attention in class. LITTLE had no time to impress! KITSON - I actually think Lita is a better lone striker, but good work rate, good use of his body strength and unlucky not to score. A difficult job well done. Do you honestly think that McLaren noticed any of the READING players?

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:04    Post subject:
That is the first time I have seen Federici play. Made one great reaction save, looked to have had several of United's near misses covered. However, he looks a little unconvincing on crosses, commanding the box and warning the defenders to pick up runs. That will come with experience though. Several poor kicks too. An 8 is reasonable but 9 is getting carried away.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:04    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
glass half full wrote: Do you honestly think that McLaren noticed any of the READING players? The nitwit commentator on Star Sports - who was generally hopeless - observed that the only Man U players who would be of interest to McLAren were Carrick and Brown. Not a single mention os a REading player even though there was a close up of Shorey hile he was talking about it.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:06    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
glass half full wrote: PistolPete wrote: FEDERICI - MOM - So calm under pressure, great with crosses and a match saving save. He is going to be a top rate goalkeeper, the next Aussie International, wow. GUNNARSSON - Next best player on the pitch, Perfect headed goal and great reading at the back, if he's a squad player, then what a squad player. BIKEY - For me, and I know i'm in the minority, a calamity waiting to happen. Lazy too. some towering headers and great blocks, but not a premiership centre back (maybe a midfielder though!). Sorry. INGARMASSON - As usual quietly very effective, one of the unsung heroes of this season. DE LA CRUZ - Seems to have learnt his limitations, one of the most important things as a sportsman. Good both going forwards and back. Great job on the number 7, whoever he was! SHOREY - Sadly, in front of McClaren, not his best game. Still an asset to any premiership team though SIDWELL - Very disciplined job in midfield, won everything in the air and I really hope he is here next season. OSTER - Great on the ball and ran his heart out, another terrific squad player and well worth the contract extension. SODJE looked strong in the air and at least meant Bikey could play in midfield! CONVEY - Did ok, not at his best and was upstaged by HUNT, but a decent performance on his rehab. SEOL - If is wasn't for his early season form we may not be where we are now, but without the ball he is bone idle. Needs a rollocking because he has the turn of shoulder many internationals would dream of. He has two good feet and good in the air. If Hunt had his raw attributes, he'd be one of the best players in the world, but Seaul seems like a kid not paying attention in class. LITTLE had no time to impress! KITSON - I actually think Lita is a better lone striker, but good work rate, good use of his body strength and unlucky not to score. A difficult job well done. Do you honestly think that McLaren noticed any of the READING players? Steve McLaren wrote: Who?

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:09    Post subject:
apart from Carricks sh1t hot strike (which had the bbc pundits creaming all over themselves at HT).......he did nothing other than miskick and mishit. Nicky S will feel a little upstaged by some of his teamates too.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:10    Post subject:
2.8 lita injection wrote: Seol gets unfair criticism on here. But fickle fans are always looking to blame someone instead of just accepting certain outcomes. Seol was vital in the start of our season and has proved to be a very good player, he might be inconsistent but wingers sometimes are, flair players can win games and im sure soel will improve over time under coppell. I have a feeling because he is a new player its easier for the fans to pick him out for criticism, easier on their conscience. In absolutely no way am I fickle. I already stated that Seol had a great start to the season, I just see him as lazy and a daydreamer (with Hunt being the other end of the scale). He has all the natural attributes to be a great player if he improves his performances when the opposition has the ball.

(설기현 선수가 불공정한 비판을 받고 있다는 글에 대해서-)

나는 절대 사람들의 말을 듣고 내 의견을 바꾸지 않아!  이전에도 분명히 설은 이번 시즌

초반에 아주 잘해줬다고 했어, 하지만 나는 그냥 그가 게으르고 꿈만 꾸는 그런 선수같에 (그에 비해 헌트는 그와 반대편에 서있지.)  그는 선천적으로 아주 휼륭한 선수가 될만한 기여도(능력)이 있어, 만약 그가 상대편이 공을 가지고 있을때 어떻게 해야되는지 알고 이 부분을 발전 시킨다면 훨씬 더 나아질꺼야.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:11    Post subject:
To be fair, the only players that stood out today for either team were... 공평하게 오늘 게임에서 잘한 선수들은... Federici Gunnarssonn Bikey Ronaldo Vidic Park  <-악 박지성 선수!ㅎ Larrsson Silvestre Heinze

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:13    Post subject:
Federici 9 - Outstanding, absouletly brilliant with two world class saves from Ronaldo and Larsson. De La Cruz 9 - Did a great job at right-back and made a couple of crucial interventions and could, probably should, have scored in the 1st half. Shorey 7 - Wasn't his best game, and will be disappionted considering McLaren was their but he did well when up against Ronaldo. Would have scored had it not been for Wes Brown on the line. Bikey 8 - Solid yet again - the new Sonko. Ingimarsson 8 - Solid and provides great experience for someone like Bikey. Gunnarsson 9 - Did well seems as he is just on his way back from injury and maybe not playing in his best position. Cracking header for the goal. Seol 8 - Has had a lot of stick in recent times but I though he was terrific today and put in some top balls in - notably the one for Shorey that was cleared off the line. Nearly scored two Pedro Mendes-esque screamers as well! 그는 요새 많은 비판을 받고 있지만 개인적으로 오늘 게임에서 그는 아주 잘해줬다고 생각해 또한 아주 좋은 공들을 줬고 - 특히 Shorey한테 준 공은 더더욱. ...그 후는 무슨말인지 이해가; Convey 6 - Never really got into the game. Obviously still suffering from injuries. Sidwell 8 - Did well. Didn't have much chance to get forward but defensively was terrific - McLaren must have noticed him. Oster 7 - A few wayward passes but did well in the centre. Superb link-up play with De La Cruz for his chance in the 1st half. Kitson 7 - If he had someone upfront with him, he would have been excellent. Struggled on his own but never gave up on anything and deserved a goal from Vidic's mistake. Subs: Hunt 8 - Terrific when he came on. He was lively and energetic, everything that Convey was last year. (Ibrahima) Sodje 7 - Solid. Little 7 - Not a lot of time to do anything but held the ball up well.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:15    Post subject:
AbovetheI wrote: To be fair, the only players that stood out today for either team were... Federici Gunnarssonn Bikey Ronaldo Vidic Park Larrsson Silvestre Heinze Again, really? = 다시한번 말하지만 정말로 그렇게 생각해?

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:16    Post subject:
Nothing like backing up your point Avon.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:16    Post subject:
The thing I loved about Bikey today is that you DIDN'T notice him. Because a few games ago, he was unmissable! Reading Reserves - having a laugh!

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:17    Post subject:
I don't think Silvestre stood out and Vidic very nearly gifted us a winner.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:17    Post subject:
AbovetheI wrote: 2.8 lita injection wrote: Seol gets unfair criticism on here. But fickle fans are always looking to blame someone instead of just accepting certain outcomes. Seol was vital in the start of our season and has proved to be a very good player, he might be inconsistent but wingers sometimes are, flair players can win games and im sure soel will improve over time under coppell. I have a feeling because he is a new player its easier for the fans to pick him out for criticism, easier on their conscience. I'm not picking on Seol. He, and convey, were very inaffective today, but we ground out a result so hey ho. IMO the criticism he gets on here isn't unjust, in fact it's fair. We don't pay his wages so he can prance around, do a few step overs and lose the ball, then stand still for 10 minutes. It doesn't work in the Premiership. Ronaldo manages somehow....

(설기현 선수가 불공정판 비판 - 설기현은 아무것도 안하고 그냥 가만히 서있는다 )

로날도는 그렇게 해도 ..잘 지내는걸..

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:17    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
FEDERICI - def man of the match GUNNARSSON - solid display fantastic goal BIKEY - not as good as last week and seemed close to doing somthing silly INGARMASSON - good solid defending DE LA CRUZ - good going forward and seemed to cause a few problems, came close to a goal but let down by his final touch SHOREY - def up there with his best performances for me. SIDWELL - worked hard and showed that he is a huge part of the set up. OSTER - hard working but i thought that he laked a little. CONVEY - started well then it all went to rat sh1t a little and when hunt came on i thought that it was an inspired substitution. SEOL - was good when he was on the ball but did little else, saw little tracking back when he lost the ball 공을 가지고 있을때는 잘해줬지만 그 외는 딱히 한게 없었어, 그가 공을 놓쳤을때 태클을 하는걸 많이 볼수 없었지 KITSON - had a hard time but there was little that he could do on his own, looked out on a limb on a number of occasions, i thoght that lita should have come on in the second half but copell knows better than me and we wre an inspired team in the latter stages on the second half, although i can't help but feel that we would have won the game if lita was on the pitch.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:18    Post subject:
glass half full wrote: AbovetheI wrote: 2.8 lita injection wrote: Seol gets unfair criticism on here. But fickle fans are always looking to blame someone instead of just accepting certain outcomes. Seol was vital in the start of our season and has proved to be a very good player, he might be inconsistent but wingers sometimes are, flair players can win games and im sure soel will improve over time under coppell. I have a feeling because he is a new player its easier for the fans to pick him out for criticism, easier on their conscience. I'm not picking on Seol. He, and convey, were very inaffective today, but we ground out a result so hey ho. IMO the criticism he gets on here isn't unjust, in fact it's fair. We don't pay his wages so he can prance around, do a few step overs and lose the ball, then stand still for 10 minutes. It doesn't work in the Premiership. Ronaldo manages somehow.... Somehow, you're wrong. Did you not see Ronaldo getting back and helping out the defence? You name a time when Seol did that.

(로날도 이야기에-_

니말이 틀린거 같은데 - 로날도가 뒷쪽으로가서 수비수들을 도와주는걸 못봤구나?

설이 그렇게 한적이 한번이라도 있음 말해봐.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:20    Post subject:
AbovetheI wrote: Nothing like backing up your point Avon. Fair cop. Just think you may be being a little harsh, particularly on Seol. Also thought that DLC had a cracking game.

(아..이거 확인안하고 그냥 봤는데..; 흠;)

설한테 너무 심하게 대하는거 아니야? 

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:40    Post subject:
AbovetheI wrote: glass half full wrote: AbovetheI wrote: 2.8 lita injection wrote: Seol gets unfair criticism on here. But fickle fans are always looking to blame someone instead of just accepting certain outcomes. Seol was vital in the start of our season and has proved to be a very good player, he might be inconsistent but wingers sometimes are, flair players can win games and im sure soel will improve over time under coppell. I have a feeling because he is a new player its easier for the fans to pick him out for criticism, easier on their conscience. I'm not picking on Seol. He, and convey, were very inaffective today, but we ground out a result so hey ho. IMO the criticism he gets on here isn't unjust, in fact it's fair. We don't pay his wages so he can prance around, do a few step overs and lose the ball, then stand still for 10 minutes. It doesn't work in the Premiership. Ronaldo manages somehow.... Somehow, you're wrong. Did you not see Ronaldo getting back and helping out the defence? You name a time when Seol did that. I have a funny feeling Reading isnt your first team.

(로날도가 수비를 도와줬다는 그 글에-)

웃기게 내가 생각하기에는 너는 레딩 팬이 아닌거 같은데..

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:45    Post subject:
Frederici MOM for me. I was slightly concerned about him before the match. Yes, I know he's done well in his previous appearances but this was a different proposition. Only his third game, in front of 70,000+ at a ground where the home team rarely lose and often hammer teams, against some of the best attacking players in Europe, live on telly. I thought he might freeze but his performance was a revelation. His save fom Ronaldo was excellent, especially considering it came at a time when Utd were getting on top and it kept us in the game but the one from Larsson was quite simply world class. Aside from his shot stopping, his overall game was pretty good as well. The defence played extremely well as a unit, DLC had his best game for us and Ivar, Bryn and Bikey covered each other well. Shorey was disappointing. Midfield harried and pressurised well. No outstanding individual performances. Seol looked lethargic but was involved in our best attacking moves but Convey didn't see much of the ball. 설은 기운없는듯 보였지만 공격쪽에서는 많은 참여를 했지 Oster was tidy with the ball and Sidwell was his usual tenacious self. Kitson was isolated for much of the match but was alive to the one oportunity which came his way (pity he couldn't put it away, that will come with match fitness) and linked up well in the last 20 minutes when our midfield got more forward in support. Very good team performance though. Last edited by From Despair To Where? on 17 Feb 2007 21:51; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:47    Post subject:
From Despair To Where? wrote: Frederici for me. I was slightly concerned about him before the match. Yes, I know he's done well in his previous appearances but this was a different proposition. Only his third game, in front of 70,000+ at a ground where the home team rarely lose and often hammer teams, against some of the best attacking players in Europe, live on telly. I thought he might freeze but his performance was a revelation. His save fom Ronaldo was excellent, especially considering it came at a time when Utd were getting on top and it kept us in the game but the one from Larsson was quite simply world class. Aside from his shot stopping, his overall game was pretty good as well. I have to admit i was worried, big stage and all that but his handling is exceptional. He looks an very good talent, no wonder they fecked Stack out.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:50    Post subject:
Delighted for the lad "this time last year he was on loan to Maidenhead United"....homelesss destitute and out of favour. Steve Coppell does not tolerate fools.........Feds looks like being part of our future. Ben hamer awaits in the wings, getting lots of practice and rave revues at Crawley. Last edited by AthleticoSpizz on 17 Feb 2007 21:52; edited 1 time in total

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:51    Post subject:
2.8 lita injection wrote: AbovetheI wrote: glass half full wrote: AbovetheI wrote: 2.8 lita injection wrote: Seol gets unfair criticism on here. But fickle fans are always looking to blame someone instead of just accepting certain outcomes. Seol was vital in the start of our season and has proved to be a very good player, he might be inconsistent but wingers sometimes are, flair players can win games and im sure soel will improve over time under coppell. I have a feeling because he is a new player its easier for the fans to pick him out for criticism, easier on their conscience. I'm not picking on Seol. He, and convey, were very inaffective today, but we ground out a result so hey ho. IMO the criticism he gets on here isn't unjust, in fact it's fair. We don't pay his wages so he can prance around, do a few step overs and lose the ball, then stand still for 10 minutes. It doesn't work in the Premiership. Ronaldo manages somehow.... Somehow, you're wrong. Did you not see Ronaldo getting back and helping out the defence? You name a time when Seol did that. I have a funny feeling Reading isnt your first team. Completely wrong on all accounts. When you've been watching Reading through out the years you have a divine right to criticise the players (who's wages you pay) when they are not putting the effort in.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 21:59    Post subject:
AthleticoSpizz wrote: Delighted for the lad "this time last year he was on loan to Maidenhead United"....homelesss destitute and out of favour. Steve Coppell does not tolerate fools.........Feds looks like being part of our future. Ben hamer awaits in the wings, getting lots of practice and rave revues at Crawley. On the evidence I've seen, better than Ashdown and a genuine prospect to oust Marcus.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 22:00    Post subject:
Federici - 8. Solid game and a very good save to deny Larsson. Couldn't do much about Carrick's goal. Shorey - 6. Good defensively but that wasn't a good game attacking wise. A few passes went astray but was unfortunate to be denied a goal by Wes Brown. Bikey - 7. Can't complain. Did his job well and was solid again. Gunnarsson - 9 MOTM. Excellent performance. Solid in defence, with a lot of interventions, took the goal well. Ingimarssonn - 7. Same with Bikey. Good captain's performance. De La Cruz - 8. Useful going forward, solid in defence, providing good blocks or hussle against Ji Sung Park. Seol - 6. Cringing first half made up with a much more active second half. Some good crosses but needs to up the tempo when with the ball. Showed signs of it in the second half. 전반전에는 딱히 한게 없지만 후반에는 활동적인 모습을 보여줬지. 좋은 크로스들을 보여줬지만 공을 가지고 있을때 적당안 템포를 찾은게 필요한거 같에.  이게 필요하다는걸 후반전에 보여줬지. Convey - 5. Good coming back doing defensive duties but didn't do much attacking wise unfortunately. Oster - 7. Worked very hard all round. Hope he continues such performances. Sidwell - 7. Same as Oster. Kitson - 6. Good when he had the ball. Unfortunately he hardly had the ball poor fella. Special mention for... Hunt - 8. Now he was very good and really wanted the ball when he came on. Very determined and very impressed with him.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 22:02    Post subject:
Great performance by mostly fringe players. Great effort and organisation. Some good displays; Fed - good stuff, one for the future. DLC - has got better and better. A good reader of the game which makes up for his lack of pace and surprisingly good in the air. Shorey - a big fan but one of his weaker performances today. In fact the left side was poor all round as BC was missing in action. Bikey - excellent and committed. Yes, some mistakes but he is going to be very good. Ingi - superb captains performance. Gunna - great squad player, showed how dependable he is. Convey - I really wanted him to do well today but it just didn't happen. Sidwell - played to a plan, didn't make half the forward runs he normally does. Solid display. Oster - ran himself into the ground but is a squad player. Seol - old Jetlag tried reasonably hard but he was poor. Couldn't hold it up and gave away possesion so many times, very frustrating. 많은 시도는 해봤지만 잘 못했지.  따라가지도 못하고 많은 공을 내줬어. 정말이지 나를 두렵게 했지. Kitson - did OK but hard on his own with no support. Not a natural lone striker. Hunt - never thought I would want BC off and Hunt on - a breath of fresh air when he came on. The team is over individual and today showed that. I really think we could have gone for broke today. Last 15 minutes put Little on for Seol and Lita for AN Other and gone 442. I think we could have taken it. Well played everyone though.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 23:30    Post subject:
From Despair To Where? wrote: AthleticoSpizz wrote: Delighted for the lad "this time last year he was on loan to Maidenhead United"....homelesss destitute and out of favour. Steve Coppell does not tolerate fools.........Feds looks like being part of our future. Ben hamer awaits in the wings, getting lots of practice and rave revues at Crawley. On the evidence I've seen, better than Ashdown and a genuine prospect to oust Marcus. SC being interviewed on BBCRB yesterday about his "reserve team" called Federici the future Aussie keeper.

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Posted: 17 Feb 2007 23:47    Post subject:
Just back from game.Excellent all round.The only exception for me was Seol who at times looked thoroughly disinterested and Shorey who whilst good was not his usual Ashoreydly brilliant best. Ingi was my star man.Marshalled the defence with great aplomb.His Icelandic pal Gunnar was right in the mix when required and deserved the goal for his efforts. Hunty was simply amazing for his brief appearance.He crammed his usual frenetic exhuberant game into the moments he got and with his injection of mega-umph quite frankly we could have won the thing. For me its Hunty over Bobby every time as things stand. Finally A Fed has really come of age with that performance.Several class saves but one that was simply put world class. No13 outsung united for most of the game.Nothing new there

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 01:14    Post subject:
Another word about Bryn, come to think of it. After Portsmouth and Liverpool in the cup I was beginning to think he'd been found out at this level but, like the whole squad, he's upped his game and is playing out of his skin. And to think Boothroyd thought Gavin Mahon was a better player.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 01:16    Post subject:
Federici - 9 Shorey - 6 Bikey - 8 Ingimarsson - 7 De La Cruz - 7 Convey - 5 Sidwell - 8 Oster - 7 Gunnarsson - 8 Seol - 4 Kitson - 6 Subs: Hunt - 8 Sodje - 5 Little - N/A

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 01:52    Post subject:
Royalee wrote: Federici - 9 Shorey - 6 Bikey - 8 Ingimarsson - 7 De La Cruz - 7 Convey - 5 Sidwell - 8 Oster - 7 Gunnarsson - 8 Seol - 4 Kitson - 6 Subs: Hunt - 8 Sodje - 5 Little - N/A Probably about right except a bit to harsh on Seol and a bit generous to Hunt. 전체적으로 맞는거 같지만 설한테는 너무 심하게 한거 같에 그리고 헌트한테는 너무 긍정적으로 평가했고 MOTM had to be Federici. Two world class saves from Ronaldo and Larsson, highlighted on MOTD. Also Sidwell had a very good game playing a regimented role, and broke up a lot of Utd attacks with interceptions and then distributed the ball well with good feet and good awareness. He'll be a big loss if he goes. I was sorry that Convey and Shorey didn't link up much. Bobby looked short on confidence and could do with another run-out before the replay, although the home crowd and more emphasis on attack should help him a bit.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 09:42    Post subject:
RoyalBird wrote: Federici - 8. Solid game and a very good save to deny Larsson. Couldn't do much about Carrick's goal. Shorey - 6. Good defensively but that wasn't a good game attacking wise. A few passes went astray but was unfortunate to be denied a goal by Wes Brown. Bikey - 7. Can't complain. Did his job well and was solid again. Gunnarsson - 9 MOTM. Excellent performance. Solid in defence, with a lot of interventions, took the goal well. Ingimarssonn - 7. Same with Bikey. Good captain's performance. De La Cruz - 8. Useful going forward, solid in defence, providing good blocks or hussle against Ji Sung Park. Seol - 6. Cringing first half made up with a much more active second half. Some good crosses but needs to up the tempo when with the ball. Showed signs of it in the second half. Convey - 5. Good coming back doing defensive duties but didn't do much attacking wise unfortunately. Oster - 7. Worked very hard all round. Hope he continues such performances. Sidwell - 7. Same as Oster. Kitson - 6. Good when he had the ball. Unfortunately he hardly had the ball poor fella. Special mention for... Hunt - 8. Now he was very good and really wanted the ball when he came on. Very determined and very impressed with him. 100% spot on 100% 맞는거 같에

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 10:01    Post subject:
londinium wrote: RoyalBird wrote: Federici - 8. Solid game and a very good save to deny Larsson. Couldn't do much about Carrick's goal. Shorey - 6. Good defensively but that wasn't a good game attacking wise. A few passes went astray but was unfortunate to be denied a goal by Wes Brown. Bikey - 7. Can't complain. Did his job well and was solid again. Gunnarsson - 9 MOTM. Excellent performance. Solid in defence, with a lot of interventions, took the goal well. Ingimarssonn - 7. Same with Bikey. Good captain's performance. De La Cruz - 8. Useful going forward, solid in defence, providing good blocks or hussle against Ji Sung Park. Seol - 6. Cringing first half made up with a much more active second half. Some good crosses but needs to up the tempo when with the ball. Showed signs of it in the second half. Convey - 5. Good coming back doing defensive duties but didn't do much attacking wise unfortunately. Oster - 7. Worked very hard all round. Hope he continues such performances. Sidwell - 7. Same as Oster. Kitson - 6. Good when he had the ball. Unfortunately he hardly had the ball poor fella. Special mention for... Hunt - 8. Now he was very good and really wanted the ball when he came on. Very determined and very impressed with him. 100% spot on Convey was fairly anonmous, but he did manage to play a world class ball through to Ktison, who was unfortunately offside. I think 5 is a little harsh on him. Certainly with Seol given a 6. I thought he was poor. 5점은 너무 심한거 같고 설이 6점을 받은게 적당하다고 봐, 그는 잘 못했어. If he's going to take someone on he has to do it at pace not at a stroll. If he isn't going to take them on at pace then he needs to play the simple ball to keep play moving, rather than daudling whilst 2 more men get over to cover him, leaving him with no options as he tries to saunter past three men and lose the ball. 그가 어떤 선수를 상대할려면 어느정도의 페이스를 가져야 된다고 생각해 그냥 조금만 뛰는건 아니라고봐.  만약 그럴께 아니라면 그냥 단순한 공으로 공이 살아있게 만들어야지, 2명의 다른선수가 그를 커버할려고 할때 그냥 공을 가지고 있지말고. I don't think our style suited pacey ligtweigt attacking wingers yesterday. We clearly weren't that up for breaking hard and fast, incase utd broke back so they spent most their game with few options. Hopefully a more open and entertaining game in the replay

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 10:46    Post subject:
Ian Royal wrote: londinium wrote: RoyalBird wrote: Federici - 8. Solid game and a very good save to deny Larsson. Couldn't do much about Carrick's goal. Shorey - 6. Good defensively but that wasn't a good game attacking wise. A few passes went astray but was unfortunate to be denied a goal by Wes Brown. Bikey - 7. Can't complain. Did his job well and was solid again. Gunnarsson - 9 MOTM. Excellent performance. Solid in defence, with a lot of interventions, took the goal well. Ingimarssonn - 7. Same with Bikey. Good captain's performance. De La Cruz - 8. Useful going forward, solid in defence, providing good blocks or hussle against Ji Sung Park. Seol - 6. Cringing first half made up with a much more active second half. Some good crosses but needs to up the tempo when with the ball. Showed signs of it in the second half. Convey - 5. Good coming back doing defensive duties but didn't do much attacking wise unfortunately. Oster - 7. Worked very hard all round. Hope he continues such performances. Sidwell - 7. Same as Oster. Kitson - 6. Good when he had the ball. Unfortunately he hardly had the ball poor fella. Special mention for... Hunt - 8. Now he was very good and really wanted the ball when he came on. Very determined and very impressed with him. 100% spot on Convey was fairly anonmous, but he did manage to play a world class ball through to Ktison, who was unfortunately offside. I think 5 is a little harsh on him. Certainly with Seol given a 6. I thought he was poor. If he's going to take someone on he has to do it at pace not at a stroll. If he isn't going to take them on at pace then he needs to play the simple ball to keep play moving, rather than daudling whilst 2 more men get over to cover him, leaving him with no options as he tries to saunter past three men and lose the ball. I don't think our style suited pacey ligtweigt attacking wingers yesterday. We clearly weren't that up for breaking hard and fast, incase utd broke back so they spent most their game with few options. Hopefully a more open and entertaining game in the replay I agree Seol was poor, I wouldn't mind him leaving in the summer. However in his defence he had to try to keep the ball as there was only one man usually to hit - Kitson. He had to try to delay for others to get forward which they weren't keen to do. 설이 못했다는 점에대해서는 나도 공감해.  그를 여름에 떠나 보내게 하지는 않을꺼야 허나 수비쪽에서 공을 가지고 있게 만들었어야 하지.  다른 공격수들이 제 자리를 찾아 가게 어느정도의 시간을 늦춰줘야 돼 - 선수들이 잘 못했던 점에 하나지. A lot of Readings play is based on supreme fitness. It is understandable that non regulars will not have that same match conditioning. Normally if the right winger has it then Hunt will get forward on the left and Harper and Sidwell spend loads of time getting forward. Couldn't happen yesterday as Oster and Convoy as just 2 examples are no-where near the fitness levels as the people they stood in for.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 11:03    Post subject:
Apart from Seol's incredibly frustrating strolls when a rapid attack might have caused real problems for Utd I thought he played pretty damned well actually. More tackling back than usual and put in some very decent crosses. Unfortunately the strongest memory seems to be the one of the idling waster towards the end which is a bit unfair. I thought Convey was totally anonymous - what a difference when Hunt came on!!

아주 빠른 공격으로 맨유한테 문제를 줬을수도 있을때 그는 그냥 종종걸음으로 다녔지 그 때는 나는 아주 큰 두려움을 가졌지만 그거 빼고는 그는 아주 정말 잘해줬지.  다른 때보다는 많았던 백 태클들 그리고 꽤 괜찮은 크로스들을 해줬어.

아주 불행하게도 내가 가장 뚜렷히 기억하는건 그가 그냥 후반전에 아무생각없는듯 가만히 있었다는거지만 이건 약간 불공평 하지.

컨베이는 아예 없는듯 보였지 - 헌트가 나왔을때는 아주 큰 다른점을 보았지.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 11:17    Post subject:
Spot on Royal Rother. I seem to remember the TV pundits thought he did pretty well too. Some ver good crosses, which we would have taken advantage of if a few more of our players had pushed (been allowed to push) forward.

니말이 맞아! (윗글에 대해서-)

티비에 나오는 전문가들도 그가 잘했다고 말해줬지.

아주 좋은 크로스들을 줬고 그걸 이용해 몇몇 공격수들이 앞으로 밀고 나갔을수도

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 11:32    Post subject:
Fed to be first choice keeper , Seol and Convey , bye bye , sorry simply not good enough at this level nor able to raise their game like others

설과 컨베이는 안녕안녕~

쉽게 말해서 그들이 이 정도의 레벨에 있을만큼 잘하지 않아

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 11:38    Post subject:
Convey with an 8 and in team of the week NOTW, what game were they watching?!

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 11:40    Post subject:
Gunny Fishcake wrote: Fed to be first choice keeper , Seol and Convey , bye bye , sorry simply not good enough at this level nor able to raise their game like others Jeez, if only Coppell could be that decisive, eh? Personally, I was proud of all of them. It took time but they were looking just as likely to win as United at the end.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 12:17    Post subject:
Seol and Convey were quite but everything we did went throught the middle. Seol fustrated me as so many times he had room to excelerate into space and he just walked into it. Fair play to number 13 again, in excellent voice and outsung united AGAIN

설과 컨베이는 조용했지 하지만 모든걸 종합해 보면

다들 잘해줬어.  게임중에 공격적으로 앞으로 뛰어가면 될수 있을껄 설이 천천이 걸어갔었을땐 나를 정말 두렵게 만들었지. 

팬들은 유나이티드 팬들을 상대로 아주 좋은 응원을 보여줬어.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 12:26    Post subject:
Federici and DLC in a close run for me. DLC had some very good key defending moments, and participated fairly well forwards as well. But most of all it was a team effort to keep Man Utd at bay reasonably well, despite their overwhelming pressure especially the last part of first half. We did have a few chances as well, but I think Federici saved us from a defeat we couldn't have had too many complaints about.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 13:13    Post subject:
Convey looks very short on confidence at the moment & his pace seems to have disappeared too.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 13:16    Post subject:
Seol Ki-Hyeon was man of the match in The Observer!

내가 보기에는 설기현이 MOM이라구

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 13:25    Post subject:
RoyalBird wrote: Seol Ki-Hyeon was man of the match in The Observer! And why not? Remove your blinkers and stop trying to judge his work-rate against Sidwell's. It doesn't matter if he looks a bit lazy, he played a perfect game as a winger, crossed superbly, stopped Man U attacking freely down his flank and almost set up a couple of goals. One cross in each half was exceptional and somebody should have scored from them.

(윗글에-)

그래 니 말이 틀릴께 모가 있어.

단지 틀에 밖히 시각을 벗어 버리고 그의 활동력을 시드웰한테 비교해서 다시 봐봐.  그가 약간 게으르다는건 상관없어 그는 윙어로써 완벽한 게임을 보여줬다고.  아주 휼륭한 크로스들을 선보였고 맨유의 공격을 그의 포지션 아래 몇번 멈추게 했고 골을 만들뻔 했었다고.  전반전 후반전 각각 선보인 크로스들은 아주 훌륭했고 골로 연결했었어야만 됐어.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 13:27    Post subject:
Handsome Man wrote: RoyalBird wrote: Seol Ki-Hyeon was man of the match in The Observer! And why not? Remove your blinkers and stop trying to judge his work-rate against Sidwell's. It doesn't matter if he looks a bit lazy, he played a perfect game as a winger, crossed superbly, stopped Man U attacking freely down his flank and almost set up a couple of goals. One cross in each half was exceptional and somebody should have scored from them. hmmmm He could have done a whole lot more on numerous occaisions. that is not the game of a MOTM

그는 더 많이 잘할수 있었다고 - 그렇기 때문에 그는

MOM이 될수없어

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 13:27    Post subject:
The Surgeon of Crowthorne wrote: Convey looks very short on confidence at the moment & his pace seems to have disappeared too. The value of match conditioning shouldn't be underestimated. Time on the pitch playing in combinations is essential. Look at Hunt, Lita, Little etc, they got better when they had a run in the team and fitter to. Kitson is not ready yet and needs more games to get back to his sharpest and best. BC needs a run but he won't get it because Hunt is the man in posession. Seol for example is not match fit, he always looks like he's a cylinder short.

좋은 선수는 많이 뛰어줘야 된다~ etc,.

허나 설기현은 그냥 서있기만 하는 체력이 딸리는 선수의

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 13:31    Post subject:
Think Kits will start against Boro.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 13:37    Post subject:
Convey MOTM in the News of thw World-where did they get that from??!!. He was the one player i thought was pretty ineffective-Hunt has definately staked his claim now and its all down to Convey to get his position back. DLC was great yesterday, didnt put a foot wrong and my MOTM

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 14:05    Post subject:
Ian Royal wrote: Handsome Man wrote: RoyalBird wrote: Seol Ki-Hyeon was man of the match in The Observer! And why not? Remove your blinkers and stop trying to judge his work-rate against Sidwell's. It doesn't matter if he looks a bit lazy, he played a perfect game as a winger, crossed superbly, stopped Man U attacking freely down his flank and almost set up a couple of goals. One cross in each half was exceptional and somebody should have scored from them. hmmmm He could have done a whole lot more on numerous occaisions. that is not the game of a MOTM My problem with Seol's game is that several times he stops the flow in our attacking moves, by dropping the tempo. A bit like Samaras i our game vs Aston Villa a few weeks ago.

설기현에게 가지고 있는 나의 문제는 우리가 공격을 할때

그는 그의 템포로 경기의 흐름을 망친다고. 

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 14:24    Post subject:
holsgrove breaks a leg wrote: Convey MOTM in the News of thw World-where did they get that from??!!. He was the one player i thought was pretty ineffective-Hunt has definately staked his claim now and its all down to Convey to get his position back. DLC was great yesterday, didnt put a foot wrong and my MOTM That doesn't count becuase the review wouldn't have been written by anybody who actually watched the game.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 15:36    Post subject:
the whole team deserve credit for the game yesterday!!! but for me Fed was MOTM! made some amazing saves and is improving each game! However ive also got to mention : Gunna - fantastic!! worked hard throughout and what a goal!!! linked up well throughout the game. Oster - Worked hard throughout the game and linked up well DLC. Great corner to find Gunna! Great performance from him

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 15:46    Post subject:
ohagerup wrote: Ian Royal wrote: Handsome Man wrote: RoyalBird wrote: Seol Ki-Hyeon was man of the match in The Observer! And why not? Remove your blinkers and stop trying to judge his work-rate against Sidwell's. It doesn't matter if he looks a bit lazy, he played a perfect game as a winger, crossed superbly, stopped Man U attacking freely down his flank and almost set up a couple of goals. One cross in each half was exceptional and somebody should have scored from them. hmmmm He could have done a whole lot more on numerous occaisions. that is not the game of a MOTM My problem with Seol's game is that several times he stops the flow in our attacking moves, by dropping the tempo. A bit like Samaras i our game vs Aston Villa a few weeks ago. Spot on. You're screaming at him to turn on the jets and he kills the momentum. I wasn;t troubled by his work rate of the ball, which seems decent, but what he did on it. (윗글에 대해서) 그래 니 말이 맞아.  그는 경기의 흐름을 망치지. 그가 공을 가지고 있을때 보이는 활동력에는 문제가 없었지만 그가 공을 가지고 어떻게 하는지에 대해서는 문제를 보였지.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 15:49    Post subject:
doylefan wrote: Oster - Worked hard throughout the game and linked up well DLC. Great corner to find Gunna! Great performance from him Oster started out oozing class and confidence and running the midfield. But as time went on he drifted out, and the passes started to go astray. I really like him and always want him to do well, but he reminds in me of Kevin Watson (another player I always rooted for) who also couldn't seem to impose himself for any sustained period.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 17:10    Post subject:
True, but he looked absolutely knackered by the end- his workrate was fantastic. And against Man United at Old Trafford, he deserves great credit for his performance in a (relatively) unfamiliar central midfield position.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 17:33    Post subject:
Humanistic wrote: True, but he looked absolutely knackered by the end- his workrate was fantastic. And against Man United at Old Trafford, he deserves great credit for his performance in a (relatively) unfamiliar central midfield position. Good point.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 17:49    Post subject:
Reading were playing 541. Seol's job was to hold the ball up and then cross. Kitson was never able to get on the ball and Convey rarely seemed to be open. How many crosses came in from the left? Under those difficult conditions Seol did very well, not losing the ball, and still putting in a number of high quality crosses. 설의 의무는 공을 가지고 있다가 크로스를 하는거였어. 킷슨은 공을 가지고 있지 못했고 컨베이는 항상 수비에 막혀있었지.  왼쪽에서 얼마나 많은 크로스들이 왔지?  저런 힘든 상황에서 설은 아주 잘해줬어, 공을 뺏았기지도 않았고 그런 상황에서 아주 훌륭한 크로스들을 많이 해줬지. Unfortunately, even after the delayed cross, BC was never anywhere near the far post. His fitness just isn't back yet. Very few penetrations from United came down their left side, That suggests that Seol was doing his defensive duties (which he was). I just watched the game again and he work rate was quite impressive. 맨유의 왼쪽에서 많은 뚤림을 당하지 않았고 이건 설기현이 수비를 잘했다는 말로 보이지 (그는 잘했고.)  나는 또 다시 게임을 봤고 그의 활동력은 꽤 인상적이였어. Kitson was very lazy getting back onside several times and that blew some promising attacks. IMO everyone played very well except Convey and Kitson.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 18:13    Post subject:
Candu wrote: IMO everyone played very well except Convey and Kitson. Surely no coincidence that they are the two players searching for match fitness after injury lay offs. To be fair to the pair of them the ball wasn't spread wide to Convey that often and Kitson was playing the lone striker against 4 international defenders.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 19:35    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
Arch wrote: Handsome Man wrote: PistolPete wrote: SEOL - If is wasn't for his early season form we may not be where we are now, but without the ball he is bone idle. Needs a rollocking because he has the turn of shoulder many internationals would dream of. He has two good feet and good in the air. If Hunt had his raw attributes, he'd be one of the best players in the world, but Seaul seems like a kid not paying attention in class. Five great crosses and close to man of the match. I must have been watching a different game. thought he did ok, back to how he started the season, and even spotted him tacklingback on a few occasions

나는 설기현이 초반 시즌의 모습을 보여줬다고 생각해,

그가 백태클을 하는 모습도 몇번 봤다구.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 19:56    Post subject:
Mr Brightside wrote: Convey with an 8 and in team of the week NOTW, what game were they watching?! Time for Oster to change his hairstyle methinks! Interesting to compare the ratings across the different Sunday Papers 일요일날에 나오는 신문들의 평가를 비교하는건 정말 흥미로워 Whilst Bobby gets 5/10 in one paper, he gets MOTM 8/10 in another Whilst Seol gets 5/10 in one paper (and a lol and unjustified 4/10 on here), he gets 7/10 in another 설기현은 5/10점을 받고 다른 데에서는 불공평하게 4/10을 받았으면 또 다른곳에서는 7/10을 받았지. Whilst Bikey gets 8/10 and MOTM in one paper, he gets a mere 6/10 in another Mistaken identity? or just balanced and unbiased reporting....just like we have on here 잘못알고 평가한건가?  단지 평등하게 때론 불공평하게 주는 점수들일까...여기도 마찬가지야.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 20:20    Post subject: Re: Player ratings Vs Manchester Utd
brendywendy wrote: Arch wrote: Handsome Man wrote: PistolPete wrote: SEOL - If is wasn't for his early season form we may not be where we are now, but without the ball he is bone idle. Needs a rollocking because he has the turn of shoulder many internationals would dream of. He has two good feet and good in the air. If Hunt had his raw attributes, he'd be one of the best players in the world, but Seaul seems like a kid not paying attention in class. Five great crosses and close to man of the match. I must have been watching a different game. thought he did ok, back to how he started the season, and even spotted him tacklingback on a few occasions I'm a big fan of him, saw him score THAT goal against Italy in the 2002 Wld Cup. 나는 그가 이탈리아를 상대로 2002에 넣어던 그 골 후부터 그의 아주 큰 팬이됐어. He's not doing his stuff as well as early season when he moved with more intent and threat and was greedy too (or just that bit too greedy). 그는 시즌 초반에 보였던 모습을 보이진 못했지. (생략 ㅠㅠ) Yesterday he simply went down the flank and put in 1 ok cross and far too many poor crosses. He didn't seem to wanna try anything on his own. He did tackle a few times but almost seemed 2 favourite each time. 어제는 그가 괜찮은 크로스 하나를 하고 다른것들은 별로였지.  그는 그 스스로 뭘 해내고 싶어 보이지 않았어.  그는 태클을 약간 하기도 했지만..(해석불가;) Park doesn't necessarily look as skillfull a player, but his workrate and effectiveness ystday were miles ahead of Soul Manz. 박이 딱히 스킬좋은 선수는 아니지만 그가 어제 보여준 활동력과 효력은 설기현보다 훨씬~~더 낫다는걸 보여줬지.

Posted: 18 Feb 2007 21:12    Post subject:
I think we are being a bit harsh on both Convey and Seol here! Considering we were playing against Man Utd at Old Trafford it is hard to remember either giving the ball away on numerous occassions. Hunty was coming on and merely doing what he did last season - injecting a bit of energy against a tired defence. Something I would have expected Bobby to do had he come on in this situation. IMO the game wasn't suited to either yesterday but they certainly shouldn't be criticised after what was a brilliant result.

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 22:05    Post subject:
Humanistic wrote: True, but he looked absolutely knackered by the end- his workrate was fantastic. And against Man United at Old Trafford, he deserves great credit for his performance in a (relatively) unfamiliar central midfield position. yep agree. he did look knackered towards the end, but his work-rate was fantastic and deserves credit for his preformance

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 23:31    Post subject:
AthleticoSpizz wrote: Mr Brightside wrote: Convey with an 8 and in team of the week NOTW, what game were they watching?! Time for Oster to change his hairstyle methinks! Interesting to compare the ratings across the different Sunday Papers Whilst Bobby gets 5/10 in one paper, he gets MOTM 8/10 in another Whilst Seol gets 5/10 in one paper (and a lol and unjustified 4/10 on here), he gets 7/10 in another Whilst Bikey gets 8/10 and MOTM in one paper, he gets a mere 6/10 in another Mistaken identity? or just balanced and unbiased reporting....just like we have on here Or possibly thought it was a great all round team performance and decided to pick a name out of the hat... well it could have happened...

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Posted: 18 Feb 2007 23:36    Post subject:
RoyalBird wrote: AthleticoSpizz wrote: Mr Brightside wrote: Convey with an 8 and in team of the week NOTW, what game were they watching?! Time for Oster to change his hairstyle methinks! Interesting to compare the ratings across the different Sunday Papers Whilst Bobby gets 5/10 in one paper, he gets MOTM 8/10 in another Whilst Seol gets 5/10 in one paper (and a lol and unjustified 4/10 on here), he gets 7/10 in another Whilst Bikey gets 8/10 and MOTM in one paper, he gets a mere 6/10 in another Mistaken identity? or just balanced and unbiased reporting....just like we have on here Or possibly thought it was a great all round team performance and decided to pick a name out of the hat... well it could have happened... just a little fortuitous for Bobby tho' Watching the camera coverage...even I confused the two (Bobby/John) occasionally

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지성 선수의 반응은..너무..

헷갈리게 나와서..

대략 종합해 보자면 - 골경절력이 떨어진다

허나 아주 노력하고 잘할려는 선수이다.

활동력이 좋다.  기타 등등등 ㅎ

그리고 사하 선수의 말이 가장 많던데요^^;

[Lotus]

여기서 우리가 주목해야 할 점은... AbovetheI 의 아이콘?

[지우and雨]

abovethel이란 녀석의 짤방이 참 훈훈하군요 =) 어제 설기현이 나름 호날도를 막으려고 하는 걸 봤는데, 수비쪽에서 그렇게 등한시였나 되새겨봅니다.

[이츠크]

너무 활동적이지 않다는 건가? 가있어야할 위치에는 가있는것같아보였는데......

[정재혁]

역시 우리들의 눈은 같은곳을 보고있군요ㅋㅋ

[고철의연금술사]

여자 참 난감하군요 -_-(몸매가 상당히 ㅎㄷㄷ -_-)