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하나회..deep state...백인 제국주의....

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처음 Josep Borrell 의 연설에 대한 글을 올렷을때는.....
이것이 그 토록 지겹게 반복되어 왓던 미츤개들의 또 한번의 지나가는 개 소리라 생각햇습니다.


솔까...백인 우월주의,,,서양문물 왓다 주의... 가 얼마나 뿌리깊고 악질적인 것인지 정도 다 알고 잇잖어..
지겨우니......모른체 하는 것 뿐이지.


그런데 이자의 연설에 대한 반향이 만만쟎습니다..
다른소리가 검색해서 보고 잇는 거의 모든 사이트에 글이 올라옵니다..


이들이 받은 충격은 ..그런자들의 그런 사고가 존재하고 잇다는 것에 대한 것은 아니고(이런것은 세삼스럽지요.)
실제 들어 보고 확인하고 나니...기분이 정말 개 죶 같다...............뭐 그런 것입니다.


미국에 deep state 가 잇습니까??
저 용어를 어떤 의미로 사용하던...미국을 움직이는 막후의 힘이 잇다는 것 정도는 쉽게 추정해 볼 수 잇습니다.
그런데 누군가 이것이 deep state라고 뜩 들이 민다면??
그때 기분이 어떨까요??

군대를 격거본 다른소리 세대들에게 윤필용이 누군지는 몰라도...윤필용 담요, 윤필용 군복, 윤필룡 야삽....등등은 
많이 들어 봣을 겁니다.
다른소린 윤필용 담요, 윤필용 야삽을....직접 경험 햇습니다.. 


정말로 ....한번 탁 털면...모포 쫙 나갑니다..
윤필용 야삽은 ..딱 50cm위에서 떨어트려도 정확히 목이 나갑니다..
그렇게 만들기도 쉽지 않을 것인데.....
어쩟던 그런것을 수령해서 보급 햇습니다.


2.4종 창고 관리 하던 사병은 이것때문에 2주간 군기교육대 갓다 왓습니다.....관리 태만..
저 따구 불량제품이 나올때까지 창고병은 도데체 뭐 햇냐는 것이지요..
아니 ..지들이 불량 모포, 불량 야삽 보급해 주고는 ...모포가 찟어지고..야삽이 목 나간 탓을 왜 사병들에게 뒤집어 씨웁니까??


군대가 그래요..
그래서 군인들은 국방을 맡겨서도 않된다는 말이 나온것이지요..


이런것들이 총 들고 기어나와 정치를 햇습니다...............그러니 오죽 햇겟냐고.
바로 이런 정치가...민주화 세력이란 또 다른 파쇼 정신병자 집단이 자랄 수 잇는 훌륭한 서식 토양이 된것입니다..


노무현교 똥파리때들로 상징되는 민주화 세력들이  왜 한결같이 그리도 무식하고, 그리도 이갈리게 악질적이고, 그리도 죶 같이 생겨 처 먹엇는지 ..그 이유는
그들이 자란 토양이 그렇기 때문입니다......
야꾸자들 사이에서 야구자가 만들어지는 원리입니다.............서로 닮아 버린 것이지요..
죶 같은 고참 아래서 또 죶 같은 고참이 만들어지는 원리와 꼭 같습니다.


윤필용은 군에 일어난 모든 부정과 비리의 독박을 그런식으로 쓰고 짤렷습니다..
윤필용이 그런 독박을 쓴 이유는 당연히 박정희에 엉깐 괘씸죄 엿지요..
그런데 윤필용에 독박을 씨우는 과정에서 들어난 마각이 "하나회"" 입니다..
군 안에 진짜로 또 다른 명령계통이 잇엇다는 것이지요.

물론 가정이지만.....
만약에 김대중이 대통령이엇다면.....김영삼 처럼 저리도 쉽고 간결하게 하나회를 쓸어 버릴수 잇엇을지 모르겟습니다..


무식하면 용감합니다......


영삼이 해골이 워낙 텅텅 비어 잇다 보니....가능한 일이 아니엇나 싶고요..
아마도 그들 하나회 애들도 영삼이가 그리고 단순, 무식, 멍청인 줄은 미처 생각하지 못 햇던 것 처럼 보입니다.


하나회가 잇엇듯이.... deep state 도 잇습니다..
꼭 같이 마찬가지로....백인 우월주의자...백인 제국주의자들이 잇습니다..


-이것이 하나회다.........라고 딱 집어 던저주지 못 햇던 것 처럼
deep state 도,  백인 우월주의, 백인 제국주의자들도 ...딱 집어 던저 주지 못 한 것 뿐이지만
어쩔 수 없이 그 모습은 어떤식으로돈 들어나 보이는 것이지요.


Josep Borrell 사건(?)은 그렇게 이해 하면 될 것 같습니다.






The ‘garden versus jungle’ worldview of the EU’s top diplomat is not only racist, it’s delusional
Josep Borrell’s neocolonial comparison fails to notice the West’s decline, caused by elites like him


Graham Hryce is an Australian journalist and former media lawyer, whose work has been published in The Australian, the Sydney Morning Herald, the Age, the Sunday Mail, the Spectator and Quadrant.

EU High Representative for Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell. ©  Russian Foreign Ministry/Handout/Anadolu Agency via Getty Images


Josep Borrell, the European Union’s foreign policy and security chief, gave an important speech to the European Diplomatic Academy in Bruges, Belgium in mid-October.

Being amongst fellow members of the global elites, Borrell felt able to set out his views on the relationship between Europe and the West and other nations with an unusual degree of honesty and candour.(더 이상 가식 따위 없이 까 발려 버린 것이지요)

“Europe is a garden” declared Borrell. “We have built a garden. Everything works. It is the best combination of political freedom, economic prosperity and social cohesion that the humankind has been able to build – the three things together.”
But, warned Borrell ominously, “The rest of the world is not exactly a garden. Most of the rest of the world is a jungle, and the jungle could invade the garden.”

How then was this unwelcome prospect to be avoided?

The solution was simple, according to Borrell – EU ambassadors, who he designated as “gardeners,” had to “go to the jungle” and impose on it the ideological, political, and economic agendas of the globalised West.

The “garden” could not sit by idly and do nothing, cautioned Borrell. “A nice small garden surrounded by high walls in order to prevent the jungle from coming in is not going to be a solution. Because the jungle has a strong growth capacity, the wall will never be high enough in order to protect the garden,” Borrell explained.

“Europeans have to be much more engaged with the rest of the world otherwise the rest of the world will invade us by different ways and means,” Borrell advised.

Borrell’s speech was immediately criticised by a few left-wing politicians in Europe, as well as some non-European states, most notably the UAE, on the grounds that it was “racist” and “rooted in colonialism.”

Those criticisms are valid as far as they go, and Borrell grudgingly offered an apology of sorts – saying “I am sorry if some have felt offended.” Nevertheless, he stood by his basic metaphor, reiterating that “Regrettably, the world in which we live today looks more and more like a ‘jungle’ and less and less like a ‘garden’.”

But much more serious criticisms can be legitimately levelled at Borrell’s crass worldview – censures that go well beyond the obvious fact that it simply reeks of nineteenth century Euro-centric prejudices.(19세기 유럽 왓다 주의자)

First, let us start with Borrell’s extraordinary Pollyanna-like assertion that in Europe and the West “everything works” and that the “garden” nations are havens of political, economic, and social stability.(이런것은 1945년 까지 얼마나 많은 전쟁이 유럽에서 일어 낫는지를  싹 무시 해 버린 개 소립니다....1945년 이후에도 유럽에서는 유고 내전이 일어낫고,,,지금은 우크라인과 러시아가 전쟁중이지요....)
This pronouncement will no doubt have come as a surprise to many citizens in Europe and the West.
Has Borrell not noticed the recent rise of powerful right-wing political movements in a number of European countries?  Is he not aware of the recent election results in Italy and Sweden(이탈리아 스웨던에선 이미 극우 주의자들이 집권햇고 ..프랑스에서 가장 인기잇는 정치인은 극우 파쇼 주의자 루펜 입니다)

Have Borrell’s advisors not informed him of the political instability that has engulfed the United Kingdom in recent months, let alone the crisis in democracy that has crippled the United States for the past two years?

Has Borrell not noticed the dramatic recent rise in energy prices; rising inflation; rising interest rates; long-term wage stagnation; and the looming economic recession that is predicted to engulf many Western nations in the near future? Has Borrell not seen the tens of thousands of demonstrators marching in European capital cities in recent months? Is he unaware of the effects that EU austerity programs have had in many of the bloc’s member nations in recent years?
(유럽의 이런 경제상황이 가든 이라면...중국은 천당이라고 봐야겟지요.)

Does Borrell really believe that the “garden” nations will sail through the upcoming European winter unscathed?
Has Borrell never heard of the so-called ‘culture wars’? Has he not noticed the collapse of liberal institutions and values throughout the West in recent decades? Has the immigration crisis that has bedevilled Europe in recent years, and has recently engulfed the United Kingdom, not yet been brought to his attention?

Borrell, of course, pointedly fails to mention that all of the problems listed above have been severely exacerbated by the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.

In fact, Borrell does not seem to appreciate that the increasing political and economic instability within the “garden” nations makes it increasingly difficult – if not impossible – for them to pursue his misguided foreign policy agenda.
Obviously, the view from Bruges differs from that from, say, Athens.

Second, let us examine Borrell’s prescription for exporting Western “stability” to the “jungle” states that languish threateningly outside the gates of the EU Garden of Eden.

Borrell’s solution is deceptively simple: just let the EU “gardeners” impose Western hegemony on those unstable “jungle” nations – with, it almost goes without saying, the helpful assistance of the United States.

Readers will not be surprised to learn that Borrell is a keen supporter of the United States. Last year he stated “One thing is clear: close EU-US cooperation based on shared values is key for international peace, security and prosperity.” Even if his Bruges speech did not explicitly include the US in his imaginary "garden", he obviously does not think of it as part of "the rest of the world".


Borrell apparently has failed to notice that the US has spent the last few decades attempting to implement his foreign policy program in spades – for example, in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria. He seems unaware that these previous attempts to tame the “jungle” ended in chaos. Nor, of course, does he acknowledge that many of the problems that plague the “jungle” nations today were, in fact, caused by such misconceived interventions.

Borrell’s entire worldview is nothing more than a global elite fantasy – designed, in part, to camouflage the unpalatable fact that the Western “garden” nations are, in fact, becoming more and more like the non-Western “jungle” countries that he despises and fears.

Isn’t the political, economic and social instability that today afflicts almost all Western nations – in large part caused by the West’s mistaken foreign policy excursions – precisely the same instability that has beset some non-Western nations for decades? And, hasn’t this instability intensified dramatically in the West in recent years?

Test that proposition by way of a comparison relating to political stability.

(이것 저것 따지려 하지 말고...그냥 서구국가와 비 서구국가에서 일어나고 잇는 일을 비교해 보자는 것이지요)
정말 미국와 유럽만 정원이고 다는 나라는 다 정글인가?...무엇이 다르고 무엇이 같은가?
비교 해 보면 될것 아니냐??  는 것인데..
다른소리도 이런식의 비교를 참 많이 해 왓습니다.....그런데도 븅쉰쇗끼들은 이해를 못 하더라고요..
이해력의 부족이 아닌 정신질환의 문제입니다.

Brazil has experienced chronic political instability for decades. Prior to the recent presidential election, President Jair Bolsonaro announced that he would not accept the election result if he lost.
In the United States, former President Trump refused to accept his election defeat in 2020, culminating in the January 6 capitol riots. Trump and dozens of candidates endorsed by him have since maintained their position that Joe Biden’s 2020 victory was illegitimate.

Bolsonaro narrowly lost the recent presidential election in Brazil – but, after his defeat, he did accept the result, even if his supporters staged mass protests in the streets.
Trump and many of his candidates are now refusing to accept the results of the US mid-term elections – let alone the 2020 result – and Trump intends to run again for president in 2024.
Looking at the two countries’ relative political stability, where does one put the "garden" fence?

브라질과 미국에서 일어난 일을 단순 비교 한 것입니다..
아무런 차이가 없습니다..

증말 중요한 것은 ......미츤놈들은 지들이 미쳣다는 것을 정말 모른다는 것이지요.
노무현교 쥐쇗끼때들은 지들을  민주투사라고 생각 합니다..
바로 이런 정신 질환이 ....현실을 현실 그대로 보지 못하고 ..끊임없는 환영을 만들어내게 합니다..

미국이 민주주의 국가??
삶은 돼야지 돼가리가 벌떡 일어나 웃을 일입니다.
유럽이 정치적 경제적 사회적으로 안정된 정원이라면 중국은 천당이지요....에덴 동산..
  

Just this week two important events highlighted just how divorced from reality Borrell’s worldview actually is.

First, at the COP27 conference in Egypt, the “jungle” asserted its autonomy by demanding payment of billions of dollars in “reparations” for the damage done to its countries by climate change. 
This demand lies completely outside Borrell’s crude frame of reference, and, perhaps more disturbingly, seems completely justified by the EU’s own catastrophic climate change ideology.  I suspect that the EU “gardeners” will find any such reparations a tough sell to EU citizens who cannot pay their energy bills this winter.

Second, it now appears that the Biden administration is placing increasing pressure on Vladimir Zelensky to negotiate a settlement of the conflict in Ukraine – and that this pressure will intensify once the Republicans take control of the US House of Representatives. Where this leaves a fervent and uncritical supporter of the conflict like Borrell – or Zelensky for that matter – is not yet clear.(필자의 우크라인 전쟁에 대한 이런 인식은 오류 입니다...
한때 미국이 출구 전략을 고민 중 이다는 주류 언론의 보도가 잇엇지만....지금에서 되 돌아 보면...우크라인인들이 다 죽을 때까지 전쟁을 계속하여 러시아를 더 이상 미국에 엉깔수 없이 영원히 약화시키는 것이 바이든 정부의 일관된 전략임이 더욱 분명해 졋습니다..
이런 미국의 전략은 현실을 전혀 보지 못한 환상속의 전략이엇음이 깡그리 들어난 것이지요..
필자는 단지 전쟁주의자들의 광기를 빈정거린것으로 보입니다..)

Borrell is nothing more than a rather unsophisticated representative of the global elites that have blindly and rapaciously presided over the decline of European and Western political and economic stability in recent decades.

That being so, it is perfectly apt that he should find himself in charge of EU foreign policy and security at the present time – because, as Cyril Connolly once famously prophesied, it now appears that “it is closing time in the gardens of the West.”